Feb 25, 2021 Executive Meeting

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>>> THIS SESSION OF CLARKSVILLE CITY COUNCIL DATED FEBRUARY 25TH, 2021. IN AN EFFORT TO FACILITATE THE CONTINUED RESPONSE TO THE CORONAVIRUS DISEASE THIS MEETING WILL BEACON DUCTED VIA GOOGLE MEETS AND THE LIVE STREAMED OF CITY OF CLARKSVILLE.COM.

AND IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF HOLDING A MEETING IN PUBLIC, THE GOVERN -- GOVERNING BODY DETERMINES THAT IT IS NECESSARY TO PROTECT THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF ITS CITIZENS DUE TO THE

[12) PUBLIC COMMENTS]

WE WILL GIVE HER FIVE MINUTES BEFORE US AND THEN PROCEED WITH THE AGENDA BEGINNING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

MS. MCINTOSH IS ACROSS THE STREET.

IF WE CAN T HER UP AND SHE HAS A PRESENTATION FOR US.

MS. MCINTOSH, ARE YOU THERE? THERE YOU ARE. CAN YOU HEAR US?

>> I CAN HEAR YOU. >> I CAN HEAR YOU.

>> AND I CAN SEE YOU. >> GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.

>> I AM JOANNE MCINTOSH AND LIVE IN CLARKSVILLE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU ALL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THE SUSTAINABILITY BOARD RESOLUTION PRESENTED LATER TODAY. AND SINCERE UH -- APPRECIATION FOR BUMPING ME UP TO THE TOP OF THE AGENDA.

I AM JOANNE MCINTOSH WITH THE SIERRA CLUB WHICH IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATION THAT WIDENED ITS FOCUS THE LAST FEW YEARS TO INCLUDE NONENVIRONMENTAL ELEMENTS OF SUSTAINABILITY AS WELL. LET'S START BY DEFINING SUSTAINABILITY. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SUSTAINABILITY ARE PRACTICES THAT MEET THE NEEDS OF THE PRESENT WITHOUT COMPROMISING FUTURE GENERATIONS TO MEET THEIR OWN NEEDS. SUSTAINABILITY IS FORWARD-LOOKING AND PRO ACTIVE.

IT LOOKS BEYOND THE PRESENT AND IMMEDIATE FUTURE AND PLANS FOR PREDICTABLE OUTCOMES RATHER THAN REACTING TO UNEXPECTED AND URGENT EVENTS. SUSTAINABILITY IMPROVES RESILIENCE WHICH IS A CAPACITY THAT HAS BECOME INCREASINGLY NECESSARY IN OUR RAPIDLY CHANGING WORLD.

AND IT RECOGNIZING -- IT RECOGNIZES THE OPPORTUNITIES IN THE COMMUNITY. OPPORTUNITIES BENEFICIAL FOR ALL ASPECTS. THE ASPECTS INCLUDE THE IN DASH THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND THE ECONOMIC AND THE SOCIAL.

SUSTAINABILITY LIES AT THE INTERSECTION OF THOSE THREE.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE KNOW THE COMMUNITY POLICY AND PROGRAMS CANNOT ADDRESS ONLY SOCIAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL VALUES WITHOUT CONSIDERING THE ECONOMIC IMPACT.

MONEY IS NOT A LIMITLESS RESOURCE.

BY THE SAME TOKEN, NOR IS A FINITE RESOURCE IS THE ENVIRONMENT. A SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY IS A BALANCE OF ALL THREE OF THESE ASPECTS TO PROTECT THE HEALTH AND QUALITY OF LIFE FOR RESIDENTS BOTH NOW AND IN THE FUTURE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

WE ARE ASKING FOR SUSTAINABILITY FOR CLARKSVILLE. WE NEED A DESIGNATED COMMITTEE OF CITIZENS WITH DIVERSE SKILLS AND TALENTS TO STUDY AND ADVISE POLE -- POLICY WORKERS AND IS FOCUSED ON BEING SUSTAINABLE. THIS WOULD BE A BODY OF STAKEHOLDERS THAT BRINGS DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES AND TRANSPARENCY. THE BOARD WILL PROVIDE NEEDED SUSTAINABILITY EFFORTS IN CLARKSVILLE.

IT CAN PROVIDE A STRATEGIC PLAN -- SORRY, A PLAN FOR SUSTAINING ACHIEVABLE GOALS. MATCHING THE MUNICIPALITIES THAT WE WILL LOOK AT AT THE NEXT SLIDE AND PROGRESS IN MEETING THOSE GOALS AND WOULD LOOK AT POLICY REFINEMENTS THAT ARE NECESSARY. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THIS IS A MAP FOR SUSTAINABILITY KNISH -- INITIATIVES. WE DON'T HAVE TO REINVENT THE WHEEL HERE. THERE ARE CITIES AROUND THE STATE AND AROUND THE COUNTRY. THEY ARE MAKING IT A SUSTAINABLE PART OF THE COMMUNITY.

TENNESSEE'S FOUR LARGEST CITIES, MEMPHIS, NASHVILLE, KNOXVILLE AND CHATTANOOGA ALL HAVE GREEN STARS BECAUSE THEY

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THERE ARE SMALLER SUSTAINABILITY INITIATIVES INCLUDING FRANKLIN, MURPHYSBORO AND OTHERS.

AS YOU KNOW, CLARKSVILLE IS THE STATE'S FIFTH LARGEST CITY NIPPING AT CHATTANOOGA'S HEELS.

SO ON THIS SUSTAINABILITY BOARD HERE AND NOW IS A LOGICAL STEP IN OUR WORK. LAST SLIDE, PLEASE.

THERE IS MORE INFORMATION HERE ON THE VARIOUS CRITERIA THAT ARE CONSIDERED IN THESE TENNESSEE CITIES.

THE PROGRAMS VARY IN CONTENT AS YOU EXPECT THEM TO.

CHATTANOOGA WAS AT ONE TIME LABELED THE DIRTIEST CITY IN AMERICA, MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE AIR QUALITY.

CLARKSVILLE HAS BEEN TIED FOR CLEANEST IN THE NATION FOR OZONE AND SHORT-TERM PARTICLE POLLUTION.

>> MS. MAC INTOSH, YOU -- MCINTOSH, YOU HAVE ABOUT 30

SECONDS LEFT. >> WE HAVE PLENTY TO CELEBRATE IN CLARKSVILLE, MONTGOMERY COUNTY.

OUR BEAUTIFUL, NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND GROWING INDUSTRIES AND OUR DIVERSE MULTI-CULTURAL POPULATION.

LET'S ENSURE OUR COMMUNITY'S CONTINUED WELL BEING BYPASSING THE RESOLUTION TONIGHT FOR CREATING A DEDICATED SUSTAINABILITY BOARD. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. MCINTOSH FOR THE

[1) PLANNING COMMISSION]

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

GOOD EVENING. A LITTLE PRECURSOR.

WE ONLY HAVE TWO ZONING CASES THIS MONTH.

DUE TO THE WEATHER SIGNS DID NOT GET OUT ON THE PROPERTIES AND WE ENDED UP DEFERRING BY OUR DECISION.

NEXT MONTH WILL BE A BUSY MONTH FOR ZONING CASES, BUT WE WILL ADDRESS THAT NEXT MONTH. WE ONLY HAVE TWO FOR YOU TONIGHT AND THEY WERE DEFERRED FROM THE PRIOR MONTH.

THEY WERE PROPERLY NOTIFIED AND NOTICES MAILED TO THE PUBLIC. FIRST CASE BEFORE YOU IS ORDER -- ORDINANCE 76-2020-21 AND PLANNING CASE NUMBER Z62021 AND IT IS THE CASE OF OSCAR LEE HEARN AND THE AGENT IS ERIC HUNEYCUTT. IT IS M-1 AND R-3 AND THEY ARE LOOKING TO GO TO C-2, GENERAL COMMERCIAL.

IT IS NOT AN EXTENSION OF THE C-2 CLASSIFICATION.

THE PROPERTY IS SOUTH OF CROSS -- CROSSLAND AVENUE AND EAST OF BRADLEY AND NORTH AND SOUTH OF WEST HIGH STREET.

THIS IS A VACANT TRACK. IT IS THE FORMER SITE OF THE PETRI CIGAR FACTORY THAT WAS DESTROYED IN THE 1999 TORNADOES. THE APPLICANT'S STATEMENT IS TO BRING IT TO A MORE APPROPRIATE ZONING.

THEY DO NOT HAVE A SOLID PLAN YET, BUT IT MOST LIKELY WILL BE MIXED AND MULTI-FAMILY UNITS ON THESE PROPERTIES.

WALKING YOU THROUGH SOME OF THE PICK -- PICTURES.

IT IS A BLOCK, BLOCK AND A HALF OFF OF RIVERSIDE DRIVE.

IT IS QUITE STEEP AS YOU CLIMB THE SIDE STREET THERE.

PICTURE THE HEIGHT OF THE PROPERTY.

A NICE VIEW OF THE RIVER BACK THERE.

IT GOES DOWN THE OTHER SIDE AND RIVERSIDE DRIVE IS ABOUT A TBLOK AWAY -- A BLOCK AWAY. THE FACTORY USED TO BE UP THERE ON THE LEFT. THIS IS LOOKING BACK TOWARD THE R-6 DEVELOP MENLT -- DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S HIGH STREET THAT CUTS BETWEEN THOSE STREETS.

THE CLARKSVILLE COUNCIL WATER SAYS THEY MAY REQUIRE WATER AND SEWER SYSTEM UPGRADES. THE STREET DEPARTMENT SAID THEY WERE OKAY WITH ZONING, BUT NO DIRECT ACCESS TO CROSSLAND AVENUE FROM THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

CLARKSVILLE MONTGOMERY SCHOOL SYSTEM HAS CAPACITY FOR THIS REGION. IT IS IN THE SOUTH CLARKSVILLE PLANNING AREA. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT AND PROPOSED ZONING REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ADOPTED LAND VIEW PLAN.

C-2 ZONING PERMITS GENERAL GOODS AND SERVICES

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IT IS NOT OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE SURROUNDING USES AND IS AN EXTENSION ACROSS THE STREET AND TO THE NORTH.

THE C-2 GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS BETTER THAN THE M-1 THAT IS CURRENTLY ZONED AND NO ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES WERE IDENTIFIED AT THIS TIME. AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION

ALSO RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. >> THANK YOU -- PARDON ME.

THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL REGARDING THIS ORDINANCE? IT IS ORDINANCE 76.

SEEING NONE. WE ARE READY FOR ITEM 2, NUMBER 77. MR. TYNDALL.

>> THIS IS CASE NUMBER Z92021. THE APPLICATION IS LUKE BAGGET AND AGENT IS HEDRICK. THEY ARE R-1 AND REQUESTING TO GO TO R-2. IT IS NOT AN EXTENSION OF THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION. IT IS ON THE OP SIGHT -- OPPOSITE SIDE OF BEECH DRIVE AND BEECHWOOD DRIVE INTERSECTIONS. SOUTH SECOND STREET IS THE MAIN ROAD YOU CAN SEE THERE TO THE LEFT TWO BLOCKS AWAY.

AND AUSTIN P IS EVERYTHING IN THE PINK TO THE RIGHT OF THE PROPERTY. THIS IS IN COUNCIL WARD 6 AND CURRENTLY TWO VACANT LOTS WITH VARYING TOPOGRAPHY.

THEY ARE HOPING TO TAKE FOUR LOTS TO TWO LOTS.

IT WAS PREFERRED TO CHANGE IT FROM AN R-6 TO R-2 TO BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE RESIDENTS WISHES OUT THERE.

A SLIGHTLY NARROW ROAD, BUT NOT THAT MANY HOUSES BACK THERE. YOU WON'T KNOW YOU ARE TWO BLOCKS OFF OF SECOND STREET. YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY IN THIS PICTURE. THERE ARE TWO HOUSES TO THE RIGHT AND A COUPLE ACROSS THE STREET.

THERE ARE NO REAL CHARACTER OF THE HOUSES.

THEY ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT STYLES.

THERE IS AUSTIN P BEHIND IT AND IT IS DIRECTED BEHIND THE PROPERTY. YOU CAN BARELY MAKE IT OUT IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE PICTURE.

>> THE CLARKSVILLE GAS AND WATER SAYS AN UPGRADE WOULD BE NEEDED IF A FIRE HYDRANT IS REQUIRED.

YOU CAN SEE THE COMMENTS FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM OF THE TWO HOUSES LISTED. IT IS IN THE RED RIVER PLANNING AREA. IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE PLAN. THE R-2 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IS NOT OUT OF CHARACTER FOR FUTURE USES IN THE AREA. THERE ARE A MIXTURE OF DIFFERENT HOUSING STYLES AND ALONGSIDE THE EMERALD HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE SERVES THE SITE. NO ADVERSE SITES.

>> SMITH YOU ARE RECOGNIZE ETD.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. TALKING ABOUT BEECH DRIVE, I RECEIVED SEVERAL COMPLAINTS AGAINST THIS.

HERE ARE SOME OF THE LETTERS I RECEIVED FROM THE RESIDENTS THERE COMPLAINING. I TOOK IT UPON MYSELF TO DRIVE THROUGH THERE. WHEN I GOT THROUGH THERE I HAD TO STOP. LIKE YOU SAID, THE ROAD IS REAL NARROW. I ALMOST WENT IN THE RAVINE.

THEY SAID THEY ARE GOING TO PUT APARTMENTS OVER THERE.

WHAT THEIR COMPLAINT IS THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS AND THEY HAVE TO WALK IN THE STREET. WHEN A CAR COMES THEY HAVE TO

GET OVER. >> I WOULD BE GLAD TO ANSWER THAT. ANYWAY, THAT IS THE COMPLAINT. THEY ASKED ME TO VOTE AGAINST THIS. AFTER RIDING THROUGH THERE I SAW WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT.

HIS PICTURE MADE IT LOOK GOOD.

GO BACK. THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS.

GO BACK TO THE OTHER PICTURE. IT IS SO NARROW.

IT IS LIKE ONE CAR SHOULD GO THROUGH THERE.

IF THEY DECIDE TO BUILD APARTMENTS, WOULD THEY WIDEN THE STREETS TO MAKE TWO LANES?

IT IS TOO NARROW RIGHT NOW. >> I'LL ANSWER.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IN THERE.

>> FIRST THIS IS TWO SINGLE HOUSES SO NO APARTMENTS.

>> OKAY. >> AND WHEN THEY ORIGINAL --

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AT OUR MEETING THEY ALL WRENCHED -- REFERENCED R-6.

THE APPLICANT DEFERRED IT AND IT WAS AN R-2.

THAT'S LARGER LOTS. THIS CAN TAKE TWO HOUSES AT MOST SINCE NO ADDITIONAL LETTERS WERE RECEIVED REGARDING THE R-2 ZONING WE DID NOT PUT THEM IN THE PACKAGE TONIGHT. THEY REFERENCE THE R-6, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT IS HERE. THIS IS R-2.

THEY SPOKE IN OPPOSITION BECAUSE NOW THEY WANT ONE.

IT WENT FROM FOUR TO THREE TO TWO AND NOW ONE.

OBVIOUSLY THEY WANT NONE. BEFORE YOU TODAY IS R-2 ON .66-ACRES ALLOWING TWO HOUSES.

NO IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE REQUIRED FOR JUST TWO HOUSES

ON THIS ROAD. >> THANK YOU.

I WILL CONTACT THESE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE WRITTEN ME PERSONALLY AND I WILL SEE WHAT THEY WANT.

TO MAKE SURE I WILL VOTE IN THEIR FAVOR.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON SMITH. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. TYNDALL. SEEING NONE WE ARE READY FOR

POSTPONE MEANT ORDINANCE 61. >> I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ANY ADDITIONAL ACTION NEEDED ON OUR END, BUT THIS BE BEFORE YOU AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE 61-2020-21 WHICH IS A PACKAGE OF ZONING ORDINANCE UPDATES FROM THE PREVIOUS MONTH. WE ALSO AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION PASSED WHAT WE CALLED ZO1 OR ZONING ORDINANCE 1-2021. WE WERE WORKING SOMETHING PERIL LET TO THE ORDINANCES YOU GOT LAST MONTH.

THESE MINOR UPDATES ARE REALLY JUST FOUR DEAF VISIONS -- DEFINITIONS AND ONE SECTION REPLACES A PARAGRAPH IN CHAPTER FOUR THAT TALKS ABOUT USABLE ROAD FRONTAGE.

WE HAVE BEEN MAKING EASE MENTS EASIER -- EASE MEANTS EASIER.

THESE FOUR DEFINITIONS GO HAND IN GLOVE WITH THAT ORDINANCE.

THAT'S ALL THIS IS. I BELIEVE OUR REPRESENTATIVE, MR. GARRETT, WILL INTRODUCE THIS AS AN AMENDMENT TO ORDINANCE 61. I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ON IT

NOW. >> OKAY.

HOLD ON. WE HAVE A QUESTION.

COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> I WAS READING THESE AND GOT A LITTLE LOST, HONESTLY.

WHAT I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND ARE THE DRIVEWAYS.

WHEN IT TALKED ABOUT -- I REMEMBER WHEN WE MET YOU TALKED ABOUT FLAG DRIVEWAYS AND DRIVEWAYS INSIDE OF DRIVEWAYS. IS THIS DECREASING THE ABILITY TO JUST TRY INTO DRIVEWAYS? OR IS IT INCREASING THEIR

USAGE? >> IT SHOULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF CURB CUTS OR INDIVIDUAL DRIVEWAYS IN THE CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES. INSTEAD OF THREE INDIVIDUAL DRIVEWAYS YOU HAVE ONE THAT BRANCHES TO THREE HOUSES.

AS FAR AS THE FLAG LOTS GO, A LOT OF THAT WAS BEING DONE PRIVATELY THROUGH THE PRIVATE EASE -- EASE MEANTS THAT WE RECOGNIZE THE AMENDMENTS ON THE SUBDIVISION SIDE AND WILL HOPE -- HOPEFULLY PASS THAT WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

WE HAVE SEVERAL TYPES OF EASE MEANTS.

WE ARE JUST REDEFINING THE ONE WITH THREE TO 10 LOTS.

IF THE ROADS ARE DEVELOPED AND EASE MENTS ARE DEVELOPED THERE IS A MINIMUM STANDARD SO WHEN THE HOMEOWNERS TAKE IT OVER AREN'T GETTING A SUB STANDARD ROAD.

IT IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD LAST AWHILE.

>> BUT THEN THEY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE -- IF YOU PULL INTO ONE AREA AND THERE IS FIVE DRIVEWAYS OFF OF THAT, THEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. A PRIVATE ROAD, THE NEIGHBORS OR THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION OR AN AGREEMENT DWEN -- BETWEEN THEM WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.

FOR DRIVEWAYS, EVERYBODY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN DRIVEWAYS. THE EASMENT IS A ROAD THAT ALL WILL ACCESS THOSE. THEY ALL HAVE TO BE LEGAL

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DON'T FORGET WE MIRRORED THIS IN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY.

WE HAVE PRIVATE REGULATIONS EQUALLY.

THERE MAY BE INSTANCES WHERE IT IS BETTER TO COME OFF THE HIGHWAY OVER HERE VERSUS IN FRONT OF MY OWN PROPERTY AND I WORKED IT OUT WITH MY NEIGHBOR AND WE WILL HAVE AN EASE MEANT AND MAINTAIN IT TOGETHER. BOTH HAVE THE MINIMUM 50-FOOT FRONTAGE AND THE STANDARDS FOR A NORMAL LOT.

>> AND THE WAY I READ IT IS WE CAN GO UP TO 10.

>> NOT ON A DRIVEWAY. A SHARED DRIVEWAY IS TWO OR THREE, SHARED. A RESIDENTIAL COMMON ACCESS DRIVE WOULD BE THREE TO 10 LOTS.

>> SO WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? >> A SHARED DRIVEWAY, ALL OF THE LOTS WOULD BE OFF THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

SO THREE OUGHTS OFF THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND YOU CAN MEANDER -- THIS IS PROBABLY MORE OF A COUNTY, BUT INFIELD DEVELOPMENTS. RESIDENTIAL COMMON ACCESS DRIVE IS BUILT TO A HIGHER STANDARD THAN A DRIVEWAY.

THICKER PAVEMENT AND WIDE ENOUGH TO GET FIRE TRUCKS AND GARBAGE TRUCKS DOWN, 18, 20 FEET WIDE.

IT HAS A CUL-DE-SAC AND MAINTAINED PRIVATELY.

IT ALLOWS A SLIGHTLY STEEPER GRADE AND A LOWER DESIGN SPEED THAN A PUBLIC ROAD THEY ARE ONLY MEANT TO BE 500 FEET OR SHORTER. IT IS FOR SMALL NEIGHBORHOODS OF THREE TO 10 UNITS. YOU WOULD LIKELY SEE THESE IN IN FILL SITUATIONS OF TWO TO FIVE ACRES USUALLY.

>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT FROM MR. TYNDALL? YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE AMENDMENT PROPOSED BY COUNCIL PERSON GARRETT NEXT WEEK.

SEEING NONE, MR. TYNDALL, ANYTHING ELSE?

>> THAT'S IT. >> LET ME PREVIEW THE MAYOR'S RPC APPOINTMENT. THE CITY MAYOR AND COUNTY MAYOR GET AN APPOINTMENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO SERVE THEMSELVES.

FOR YEARS MARKLELY, A WELL-KNOWN BUSINESS PERSON IN TOWN WAS CITY PERSON AS PROXY BECAUSE OF PERSONAL REASONS WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH, HE RESIGNED AND WE ARE WAITING FOR THE STATE TO APPROVE MICHAEL LONG.

HE IS A NATIVE OF CLARKSVILLE AND HAD A LONG CAREER WITH KROGER AND NOW A PART-TIME REAL ESTATE AGENT AND HE HAS AGREED TO BE MY PROXY AND WE GOT STATE APPROVAL.

WE WILL BE FORMALLY ANNOUNCING HIM NEXT WEEK, BUT I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A PREVIEW. MICHAEL IS A GOOD GUY AND WILL REPRESENT US WELL. WE ARE NOW READY FOR THE

[2) CONSENT AGENDA]

CONSENT AGENDA. >> ORDINANCE 63-2020-21.

SECOND READING. AMENDING THE OFFICIAL CODE RELATIVE TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

ORDINANCE 64-2020-21. SECOND READING, AMENDING THE OFFICIAL CODE DESIGNATING JUNETEENTH AND EMANCIPATION DAY AS CITY HOLIDAYS. ORDINANCE 65-2020-21, SECOND READING, AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE MAP OF THE CITY OF CLARKSVILLE, APPLICATION OF MARK A DAVIS, SHANNON OR WILLIAM WILL FORD-AGENT FOR ZONE CHANGE PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF OLD TRENTON ROAD AND WILMA RUDOLPH BOULEVARD.

FROM M-2 GENERAL INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT TO C-2 GENERAL INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT. ORDINANCE 66-2020-21, SECOND READING AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE MAP OF THE CITY OF CLARKSVILLE, APPLICATION OF RICHARD COLLINS, RICHARD GARRETT-AGENT, FOR ZONE CHANGE ON PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF COLUMBIA STREET AND BATTS LANE FROM RM-1 SINGLE FAMILY MOBILE HOME AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO OUR R-4 RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.

ORDINANCE 67-2020-21 SECOND READING AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND MAP OF THE CITY OF CLARKSVILLE APPLICATION OF CHARLES NICHOLS CREDIT SHELTER TRUST JAMES MAYNARD- FOR ZONE CHANGE ON PROPERTY LOCATED IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF TOBACCO ROAD AND NUSSBAUMER ROAD FROM C-1 NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT R-1 SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND AG AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO R1A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.

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ZONE CHANGE ON PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF BLACKMAN STREET AND CHARLOTTE STREET AND LAWN STREET FROM R-33 FAMILY RES DEN SAT DISTRICT TO R-6 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. ORDINANCE 69-2020-212TH READING AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND MAP OF THE CITY OF CLARKSVILLE APPLICATION OF WEATHER A -- OF LALANA LEE AND GORDON LEE. IT IS LOCATED AT PARADISE HILL ROAD AND HIGHLAND CIRCLE. FROM R-1 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. TO OUR 6TH FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. ORDINANCE 70-2020-21.

SECOND READING AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND MAP OF THE CITY OF CLARKSVILLE. APPLICATION OF FRANK BRYANT ALBATROSS PARTNERS-AGENT, FOR THE ZONE CHANGE OF PROPERTY LOCATED ON INTERSECTION OF COLONIAL COURT AND GOLF CLUB LANE FROM R-3 FAMILY RES DEN SAT DISTRICT TO C-5 HIGHWAY AND ARTERIAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO R-4 MULTIPLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. ORDINANCE SEFLT 1 -- 71-2020-21, SECOND READING, ODD MENDING THE ZONING ORDER NENTS AND MAP OF THE CITY OF CLARKSVILLE, APPLICATION OF LUKE BAGGET AND BOBBIE WALL. HEDRICKS-AGENT FOR ZONE CHANGE ON DANIEL STREET AND CENTRAL AVENUE R-3 TO R-6 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. RESOLUTION 54-2020-21, APPROVING APPOINTMENTS TO THE BEER BOARD.

AND ADOPTING MINUTES FEBRUARY 3, FEBRUARY 4TH, FEBRUARY 9TH. ANYBODY WANT TO BE RECOGNIZED? COUNCIL PERSON STREETSMAN.

>> I WILL STATE THAT I AM PULLING 63-2020-21, THE SECOND READING AMENDING THE CODE RELATIVE TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THAT FOR A MOMENT.

I HAVE HERE FOR EVERYONE -- I KNOW EVERYONE HAS IT IN THE AGENDA, BUT I WOULD LIKE EVERYONE TO HAVE THEIR OWN COPY TO SEE WHAT IS CONTAINED IN THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL PASSED LAST YEAR. I WANT EVERYONE TO FOE WHAT IT DOES. AND A COUPLE OF THINGS I KIND OF WANT TO ADDRESS WITH EVERYONE.

I KNOW LAST WEEK -- OR LAST MONTH IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT THE CONSIDERATION OF CHANGING THE FEE AMOUNT AND WHY WE CHARGE WHAT WE DO. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MS. MOTA TO TALK ABOUT HOW THAT WAS CALCULATED AS WELL AS TALK ABOUT OTHER CONTRACTS WE HAVE LOW -- LOCATED.

CAN YOU COME UP AND SPEAK? >> WE WILL RECOGNIZE OUR CFO,

LORI MATA. >> I THINK I MOANGSED -- MENTIONED ANOTHER TIME WE SPOKE THAT THIS IS JUST THE FUNDS TO REIMBURSE OURSELVES FOR THE COST OF ISSUING THE PERMITS. THE WAY THE PERMITS WERE CALCULATED IS THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES THE REVENUE CLERK AND THE ACTUAL APPLICATION PAPERWORK, AND HOW LONG IT TAKES A FIRE DEPARTMENT CAPTAIN TO GO OUT AND DO THE INSPECTIONS. BUILDING CODES TO DO INSPECTIONS. THEY HAVE COME OUT PRINTING THE LICENSE AND MAILING IT TO PEOPLE.

OR DEALING WITH LETTERS OF DISAPPROVAL AND MULTIPLE PHONE CALLS. WE DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE ANYTHING OUT. WE DIRCHLT WANT -- WE DIDN'T WANT TO OVERCHARGE. WE ROUNDED UP TO THE 150 AND THAT'S WHAT WE -- HOW WE CAME UP WITH THAT.

BEFORE THE CALCULATION WE WORKED WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND BUILDING AND CODES TO COME UP WITH EXACTLY WHAT THEY NEED TO DO AND IF THEY CAN GO BACK OUT AND CHECK ITEMS LOBING -- LIKE IF THERE IS A VIOLATION TO COME BACK ON TO MAKE SURE THE BUILDING IS SAFE.

THE OTHER ONE IS A QUESTION ABOUT THE CONTRACT.

WE HIRED A COMPANY AND IT WAS APPROVED IN OUR BUDGET.

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THERE ARE 350 OUT THERE WE CAN CAPTURE.

ACTUALLY IT SAYS 332. THAT WE CAN CAPTURE THOSE AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE ALREADY ON COMPLIANCE OR NEED TO APPLY FOR THE PERMITS. WE STARTED WORKING WITH THEM SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS IN TERMS OF LEGAL, BUT WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THIS COMPANY. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> COUNCIL PERSON STREETMAN. >> IF WE DECIDE TO DO AWAY WITH THIS, WE ARE JUST OUT THAT MONEY? THERE IS NO GETTING THE MONEY BACK?

>> I WOULD HAVE TO GET WITH BLAINE, BUT I THINK WE WOULD

BE OUT. >> APPRECIATE IT.

>> BEFORE YOU STEP AWAY, COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> AND AGAIN I AM NEW SO BEAR WITH ME.

HOTEL TAX AND EXTRA TAX THAT I PAY -- THE OCCUPANCY TAX I PAY WHEN I GO TO A HOTEL, DO VACATION RENTALS HAVE TO PAY

THAT AS WELL? >> BY STATE LAW THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO PAY SALES TAX AND HOTEL AND MOTEL TAX.

>> WITHOUT WITH WE ARE NOT ABLE ON -- TO IDENTIFIED THEM

SO CAN'T COLLECT THEM. >> WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE

OUT THERE. >> THERE IS NO TRACKING.

FOR THE 332 OUT THERE THEY HAVE TO PAY SALES TAX AND WHAT

IS THE MOTEL, HOTEL TAX? >> IT USED TO BE 8%.

>> IT STILL IS. >> 8%.

AND IT IS SHARED WITH THE CITY AND COUNTY.

IT IS STILL -- >> IT IS REVENUE WE ARE NT

COLLECTING. >> WE ARE NOT RECEIVING IT

EITHER. >> HAVE I NOT ONE.

>> GO AHEAD. MY OTHER QUESTION IS WITHOUT THIS SHORT-TERM WREN -- RENTAL WE HAVE NO ABILITY AS A REALTOR AND AS A CITIZEN AND SOMEBODY MOVING INTO A COMMUNITY IF WE ARE PURCHASING A PLACE NEXT TO A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER WAY TO IDENTIFY.

>> I DON'T WANT TO GOSH GOSH -- AS A WOMAN WHO DRAGGED MY MOTHER TO SUNS EVERY SUMMER AND LAND IN A COMMUNITY WITH EIGHT PLACES TO FIND SOMEWHERE T.O. LIVE.

I WOULD BE BETWEEN TWO SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND IT WOULD PUT ME AND MY CHILDREN AT RISK AND IT WOULD NOT BE A PLACE I WOULD WANT TO BUY. IF IT IS NOT IDENTIFIED, MY REALTOR CANNOT INFORM ME AND I WOULD NOT KNOW.

I WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENT CHOICE OF PURCHASING ABILITY OR APARTMENT OR EVEN MOVING INTO A WREN -- RENTAL WITH TWO CHILDREN. I HAVE I HAVE A CONCERN FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS. WE HAVE A LOT OF TURNOVER.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE A WAY TO RECOGNIZE PEOPLE MOVING IN AND

OUT. >> THANK YOU.

COUNCIL PERSON STREETMAN AND THEN I HAVE A LIST.

>> MINE IS NOT STILL DIRECTED AT MISS MATA.

>> WE HAVE FOLKS THAT HAVE QUESTIONS.

I WILL COME BACK TO YOU. >> COUNCIL PERSON LITTLE, YOU

ARE RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU MY QUESTION GOES TOWARD FEES. WITH THE FEES ARE ANY OF THEM GOING BACK INTO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? SO IT IS COMING OUT OF OUR BUDGET ANYWAY.

WHEN WE DO THESE FEES AND WE THINK ABOUT THAT AS FAR AS

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REALLY IT IS OUT OF THE QUESTION FOR A LOT OF THESE

PEOPLE. >> THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS FUNDED BY THE GENERAL FUND. IT IS A REVENUE-GENERATING DEPARTMENT LIKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE. THAT'S NOT OUR GOAL.

ALL OF THE FUNDS THAT COME IN REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY COME FROM. THEY COULD COME FROM BUILDING PERMITS. THEY COULD BE TAXES.

ALL OF THOSE THINGS SUPPORT US AND IT WOULDN'T BE JUST TO THE

FIRE DEPARTMENT. >> THANK YOU.

I THINK I HAVE COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT NEXT?

DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? >> I JUST WANT TO SAY I AGREE WITH COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS THAT THERE ARE SECURITY ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH GETTING RID OF THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE.

IT IS NOT A QUESTION MORE SO THAN IT IS A STATEMENT.

I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THIS RESOLUTION ON HAND TO ADDRESS ALL OF THE THINGS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.

>> CAN YOU, COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT.

COUNCIL PERSON SMITH, YOU WISH TO BE RECOGNIZED.

>> THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT FOR THE AIRBNB. I KNOW THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE SOMEPLACE AT THE AIRBNB. MS. WIGGINS CAN TACTED -- CONTACTED MANY PEOPLE WITH THE AIRBNB.

SHE IS THE FIRST WESTERN TO CORRECT THIS.

THE FIRST WOMAN TO CORRECT THIS.

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY. >> SHE IDENTIFIED A LOT OF THEM. IT WAS A LOT.

SHE WAS COLLECTING TAXES AND GETTING -- GETTING PAID.

WE SAID WE NEED TO GET TO WHERE -- YOU KNOW, AND COLLECT THAT. I CAN'T SAY THE COUNTY IS NOT RECEIVING ANY FEES BECAUSE THAT'S NOT TRUE.

I KNOW THEY ARE BASED UPON THE COUNTY THEMSELVES WHO SPOKE ABOUT THIS. SCHWA CAN --

>> CAN I ADD SOMETHING THEY JUST LET ME KNOW? MISS WILSON WAS IN ON THE DEMONSTRATIONS WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE SOFTWARE. SHE HAS FILLED ME IN.

MISS WIGGINS IDENTIFIED 150 PROPERTIES.

THAT'S WHAT SHE IDENTIFIED FROM THE CONSULTANTS WE MET WERE. WE MELT WITH.

THEY CAME UP WITH THE 330 IN CLARKSVILLE.

WE ARE STILL MISSING -- AND I'M SORRY I DIDN'T MEAN TO SAY WE WEREN'T COLLECTING ANYTHING FROM ANY OF THEM.

THE SOFTWARE WILL HELP US FIND THOSE WHO ARE NOT.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. HOW MANY HAS THE CITY BEEN COLLECTING? HOW MANY HAVE WE IDENTIFIED?

>> WE JUST STARTED DOING THIS.

WE HAD TWO APPLICANTS AND A THIRD IS ON ITS WAY.

>> SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PROPERTIES WE REALLY HAVE OUT THERE. WE ARE JUST SEARCHING, RIGHT?

>> THAT'S WHY WE HIRED THE COMPANY.

THE SOFTWARE. THIS IS WHAT THEY SPECIALIZE IN. WE JUST STARTED THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT. ONCE IT IS FULLY IMPLEMENTED THEY WILL DO ALL OF THE LEG WORK.

WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE STAFFING TO DO IT.

>> I DON'T WANT TO STEP ON THE LEGAL SIDE OF THINGS, BUT NOT EVERYBODY IS REQUIRED TO GET THIS PERMIT.

THEY HAVE BEEN OPERATING AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND PAYING SALES TAX IN THE PAST SIX MONTHS.

NOT EVERYBODY WILL BE FILLING OUT A PERMIT.

>> THANK YOU. I THINK I HAVE COUNCIL PERSON

EVANS NEXT ON THE LIST. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE CONTRACT.

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WILE IT -- WILL IT BE RENEWED EVERY YEAR AND WHAT ARE THE

COSTS OF THAT? >> IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT -- IT HAS TO BE A BENEFITS -- A BENEFIT TO US.

WE WILL HAVE T.O. -- WE WILL HAVE TO SEE WHAT THE BENEFITS ARE. THEY WILL DO THE LEG WORK AND I DON'T HAVE THE STAFF AND I DON'T THINK THE BUILDING AND FIRE CODE HAS THE STAFF TO BE ON THE STREET.

GOING BEYOND THAT THEY CAN REMIND.

THEY WILL REMIND IF THEY HAVE TO RENEW THE PERMIT.

IT WILL ALLOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ACCESS IT.

SO IF THEY HAVE COMPLAINTS THEY CAN LOOK IT UPRIGHT THEN AND THERE AND TO BE ABLE TO SEE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION.

THE SOFTWARE WE THINK IS A BENEFIT.

>> THANK YOU. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THAT

COSTS US EVERY YEAR? >> WE JUST SIGNED A CONTRACT AND WE PAY $15,000 AND THAT INCLUDES THE ADDRESS IDENTIFICATION AND THE HOTLINE AND THE COMPLIANCE MONITORING AND ALL OF THE SET UP. THE RENEWAL WILL BESET UP IN

THERE. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON EVANS. COUNCIL PERSON ALLEN, YOU ARE NEXT ON THE LIST. ARE YOU RECOGNIZED.

>> I'M SORRY. >> WELL HE PUSHED HIS BUTTON TO BE RECOGNIZED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

I'LL GET TO YOU AND THEN I'LL COME BACK TO YOU, IF THAT'S

OKAY. >> SO, THE COST OF IT WAS $15,000 AND YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THE RENEWAL IS GOING TO BE YET. WE HAD HOW MANY PEOPLE APPLY FOR PERMITS? YOU SAID TWO? WE ARE COLLECTING THE FEES AND ALL OF THE OTHER STUFF.

WE DIS -- WE DISCOVERED AND DECIDED THAT THIS IS HOW MUCH TIME IT COSTS. WE KNOW THE MONEY IS NOT GOING

BACK TO THE DEPARTMENT. >> IT GOES TO THE GENERAL

FUND. >> NOBODY GOT RAISES OR

ANYTHING LIKE THAT? >> THEY ARE DOING THE SAME WITH THE ADDED DUTIES. THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE ARE

SAYING THESE ARE THE FEES. >> FOR SAFETY.

>> THIS IS THE REASON WE ARE DOING THESE FEES BECAUSE OF THE TIME IT WOULD TAKE THIS PERSON TO DO IT?

>> BECAUSE OUR FOLLOW -- OUR POLICY IS WE ARE REIMBURSED FOR ADDITIONAL COSTS. IF I HAVE T.O. DO SOMETHING -- IF I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING SPECIAL FOR THE WHOLE CITY -- FOR THE CITY, THE WHOLE CITY SHOULDN'T BEAR THE COST.

WE SHOULD BE REIMBURSED FOR THE TIME.

IT IS LIKE OUR CREDIT CARD FEES.

TYPICALLY WE HAVE THOSE THAT ARE POSSIBLED ON TO THE CUSTOMER AND THE CUSTOMER REIMBURSES THE CITY.

IT IS NOT FAIR FOR THE CITY TO FOOT THE BILL FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO PAY WITH A CREDIT CARD.

IF WE SEND THEM OUT TO DO INSPECTIONS THEY ARE NOT DOING SOMETHING ELSE. THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES WE SHOULD GET IT BACK FROM THE PERSON REQUESTING THE

SERVICE. >> SO ESSENTIALLY SPH -- IF WE DO CHANGE THE FEES WE ARE STILL GETTING EXTRA MONEY

BACK? >> YES.

>> SO THE 15,000 CAME OUT OF GENERAL FUNDS?

>> YES. AND YEARLY IT IS A RENEWAL FOR

THE CONTRACT? >> WE COULD RENEW IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RATES ARE.

I DON'T THINK THEY GAVE US RATES FOR RENEWALS YET.

TWO PEOPLE HAVE USED THIS CONTRACTING SYSTEM?

>> NO. TWO PEOPLE HAVE COME TO THE CITY TO APPLY. WHEN THE SOFTWARE FINDS THESE PROPERTIES THEY WILL DIRECT THEM TO COME TO US.

THEY WILL FIND THE COMPANIES MAKE THEM COMPLY.

>> THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL PERSON GARRETT, NOW

TO YOU. >> I GUESS I WILL START WITH

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COME FROM? >> IT IS ONLY A THOUSAND DOLLARS MORE THAN ORIGINALLY THOUGHT.

IT WAS 10,000, AND SOME KIND OF A BREAK DOWN.

I THINK THE BUDGET AMENDMENT WAS $14,000.

SO IT IS A THOUSAND DOLLAR DIFFERENCE.

AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD.

WE ARE NOT DOING THIS TO COLLECT MONEY.

IT IS NOT A REVENUE GENERATOR.

THE INTENT IS NOT TO GENERATE REVENUE.

>> AND THAT'S MY SECOND POINT.

I HEARD SOME OF THE COMMENTS EARLIER THAT FOR SAFETY PURPOSES I NEED TO KNOW IF I AM MOVING TO AN AREA I WANT TO KNOW IF MY NEIGHBORS ARE DOING AIRBNB -- EXCUSE ME, SHORT-TERM. TO ME THE LOGIC DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. WE HAVE 300 PLUS THAT ARE

OPERATING AND GRANDFATHERED IN. >> THEY HAVE HAD TO BE HOTEL-MOTEL TAX FOR SIX MONTHS AND THEY HAVE TO PROVE THAT THEY HAVE BEEN PAYING IT TO BE GRANDFATHERED IN.

>> I GOT YOU. IN THE FUTURE, AS I AM GOING THROUGH MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT, IF YOU WANT TO CORRECT WHAT I'M SAYING, FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME.

I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.

JUST LET SOMEBODY FINISH. LET'S JUST SAY 200 TO 250 PLUS THAT ARE GRANDFATHERED IN FOR THIS, AND I AM A LICENSED REALTOR THAT HELPS PEOPLE MOVE IN AND MOVE OUT.

THEY TELL US NOT TO GET INTO THE HABIT OF TELLING PEOPLE WHAT'S THERE OR WHAT CAN BE THERE BECAUSE WE REALLY DON'T KNOW. WE GET THESE REZONING REQUESTS.

WHAT ARE YOUR BACKYARD NEIGHBORS TOMORROW COULD BE A CONDOMINIUM AND A STRIP MALL AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

TOMORROW THEY SAY IT IS NOT LUCRATIVE FOR ME AND I MIGHT SELL IT. AND WHAT COULD BE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL TODAY COULD BE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.

NOW YOU MOVED YOUR FAMILY INTO THIS HOUSE UNDER THE PREMISE YOU DON'T HAVE SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND YOUR NEIGHBOR SAYS IT WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THIS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. IT COULD BE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL AFTER YOU MOVED IN. AND THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT YOU WILL KNOW IT IS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL IF THEY ARE GRANDFATHERED IN. SOMEBODY OPERATING THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL IS DOING IT AND WILL CAUSE YOU SOME CONCERN. THE AVERAGE PERSON IS NOT RENTING A SHORT-TERM RENTAL FOR THE SAKE OF STAKING OUT THE HOUSES OF THEIR NEIGHBORS.

WHAT ARE WE REALLY INCREASED WITH -- I HEARD SAFETY, WHAT IS THE SAFETY RISK. WHAT IS THE ASSUMPTION WE ARE SAYING THAT A TYPE OF PERSON WHO RENTS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL IS MORE SAW ACCEPTABLE -- SAW SEPTEMBERABLE SH -- SUSSEPATBLE. WHAT STATISTICS DO WE HAVE THAT SAY SHORT-TERM RENTERS ARE MORE CRIME RIDDEN THAN ANYBODY ELSE. YOU HEAR I DON'T WANT PEOPLE BY MY HOUSE AND AGAIN IT PUTS AN EMPHASIS ON NOT ALIENATING ANYBODY AND EQUAL TREATMENT. TO ASSUME BECAUSE YOU ARE A RENTER YOU ARE LESS THAN AND BECAUSE YOU WOULD RATHER STAY IN A SHORT-TERM RENTAL THAN A HILTON YOU ARE LESS THAN, IT

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I THINK WE SHOULD BE CAREFUL HOW WE DEMONIZE THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE POPULATION BECAUSE MAYBE WE DON'T UTILIZE THAT SERVICE IN THAT TYPE OF MANNER.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON GARRETT.

>> CAN I EXPLAIN WHAT I MEANT BY SAFETY?

>> SURE. >> SO IT IS FOR SAFETY PURPOSES. IT IS NOT FOR THE PERSON WHO IS NECESSARILY RENTING -- THE PERSON WHO IS STAYING.

IT IS NOT THAT PERSON THAT IS A PROBLEM.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PERSON WHO RENTS IT, WHEN THEY GET HERE, IT IS A SAFE FACILITY.

I WOULDN'T WANT TO RENT AN AIRBNB -- SORRY.

A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. I WOULDN'T WANT TO RENT ONE IN A CITY I HAVEN'T BEEN TO BEFORE.

AND SHOW UP THERE IS NO SMOKE DETECTORS OR THE DECK IS NOT SAFE TO WALK OUT ON. THAT'S THE SAFETY I AM TALKING ABOUT. THAT'S THE SAFETY THAT WE DISCUSSED WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS,

I BELIEVE. >> COUNCIL PERSON GARRETT?

>> AGAIN, THAT'S NOT THE SAFETY THAT WAS REFERENCED BY TWO PREVIOUS SPEAKERS. THAT'S THE SAFETY I'M SPEAKING TO. TWO PREVIOUS SPEAKERS REFERENCED THEIR NEIGHBORS. THEY ARE PERSON THAT OWNS THE HOUSE. THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING TO.

I GET IT. IT ALL COMES BACK TO -- ONE THING I AM TYPICALLY QUIET ON THE COUNCIL BECAUSE I AM LISTENING AND ABSORBING AND NOT JUST LISTENING TO RESPOND AND REACT. AS I LISTEN THOUGH, I KEY IN ON DIFFERENT THINGS. THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY SAID.

IT WAS A WESTERN -- IT WAS A CONCERN ABOUT THE SAFETY AND IT GOES AGAINST THE SPIRIT OF THE COUNCIL AND THE OTHER DEBATES WE HAVE HAD ABOUT TREATING EVERYBODY EQUITABLE.

THAT'S WHAT I MEANT WITH IT. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR SAFETY. IT WAS ALL ABOUT WHAT WAS

PREVIOUSLY SPOKEN. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON GARRETT. COUNCIL PERSON BUTLER -- ANYBODY ON THE LIST WISH TO ADDRESS MISS MATA?

>> NO, THIS IS JUST ON THIS. >> ALL RIGHT.

LET ME COME BACK. COUNCIL PERSON STREETMAN, DID

YOU WISH TO ADDRESS MS. MATA? >> I WILL PICK BACK UP.

>> COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS.

MATA? >> COUNCIL PERSON SMITH, ANOTHER ITEM. COUNCIL PERSON HOLLEMAN -- AWESOME. THANK YOU, MS. MATA.

WE ARE BACK TO THE PREVIOUS RECOGNIZED SPEAKER, COUNCIL

PERSON STREETMAN. >> APPRECIATE IT.

FIRST OFF I WILL MOVE BACK TO WHERE I WAS AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS SAID. IT WAS REFERENCED BY A PREVIOUS SPEAKER, FOR ONE THING IT IS LIKE RENTING OUT A HOTEL. WELL, WE HAVE INSPECTIONS OF HOTELS AND THAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.

THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THOSE INSPECTION THAT'S COME IN BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THOSE GUESSES -- GUEST THAT'S COME IN. JUST LIKE MS. MATA TALKED ABOUT. WHEN THE BUILDING AND CODES GO INTO INSPECT IT IT IS ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THOSE GUESTS.

THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS DETERMINING HOW MANY PEOPLE STAYED THERE. IT IS NOT ONLY ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE STAYING IN THAT HOME, BUT IT IS ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THOSE AROUND THEM.

THEY ARE EXPECTING IT TO BE ALL OF THE WORKING THINGS IN PLACE AND ALSO LIMITING THAT LIMIT -- SETTING THE LIMIT FOR HIM. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE. YOU ARE RUNNING THE RISK OF SOME FIRE ISSUES NOW THAT CAN HAPPEN AND THAT COULD -- THAT FIRE COULD START AND SPREAD TO OTHER HOUSES AROUND AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT PREVIOUSLY TALKING TO WHAT WE HAVE HERE, WHEN WE FIRST WROTE THIS, ONE OF THE THINGS WE INCLUDED WAS MAIN OF THE -- MANY OF THE ORDINANCES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY HAD IT WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNERS WERE TO BE NOTIFIED THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE THERE.

THAT WAS NOT FOR THE POINT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE ANY SAY IN WHETHER OR NOT THERE COULD BE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL THERE.

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THEY SAID THEY WOULD KNOW IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE PEOPLE GOING IN AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY.

IT IS NOT IN ANYWAY STATING -- I I DIDN'T HEAR THAT SAID AT ALL THAT THESE WERE BAD PEOPLE THAT WERE GOING TO BE IN THERE AND LESS THAN PEOPLE STAYING IN THOSE.

THE REASON BEHIND IT IS SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE AWARE THAT THERE IS AN ON GOING CHANGE OF PEOPLE THAT LIVED NEXT DOOR. WHEN YOU HAVE A RENTAL PROPERTY NEXT DOOR, THOSE PEOPLE ARE GENERALLY THERE FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. WHEN SOMEONE OWNS THE HOME AND THEY LIVE IN THE HOME THEY OWN YOU KNOW THE PEOPLE LIVING BESIDE YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT FOR A FELLOW COUNCIL PERSON WHO SPOKE.

THEY WERE NOT BEING IN ANYWAY DEROGATORY AND I APOLOGIZE IT WAS DIRECTED TO THEM THAT WAY.

THE NEXT TOPIC I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IS ACTUALLY -- IT HAS BEEN TOUCHED ON BY MS. MATA, BUT THAT'S THE LEGAL ASPECT OF IT AND TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS.

AIRBNB IS A VERY LARGE CORPORATION.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTAL OPERATOR THAT'S ARE HERE. I AM TALKING AIRBNB AS A CORPORATION. THEY MAKE A LOT OF MONEY.

THEY ARE MAKING MONEY ON PEOPLE COMING AND STAYING IN OUR TOWN. THEY ARE ABLE TO USE THAT MONEY TO LOB -- LOBBY STATES. THEY LOBBIED STATES THROUGHOUT OUR COUNTRY IN ORDER TO LIMIT THE ABILITY OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND TO BE ABLE TO REGULATE THOSE SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THE AREA. THEY ACCOMPLISHED THAT IN THE STATE AS WELL. IF WE TAKE THIS OFF THE BOOKS LIKE IT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT, THEY ARE GRANDFATHERED IN.

IF WE TAKE THIS OFF THE BOOKS IT WILL GRANDFATHER ANYBODY ELSE IN UP UNTIL THE POINT THAT IF AND WHEN WE PUT ANOTHER PIECE IN PLACE IT IS A GROWING TREND THAT MORE AND MORE CITIES ARE WORKING TO PUT THEM IN PLACE TO TRY AND PROTECT THEIR COMMUNITIES. THAT'S NOT JUST FOR THE RESIDENTS, BUT IT IS THOSE COMING TO VISIT AS WELL.

I WOULD LIKE, IF POSSIBLE, IF WE CAN HAVE MR. STALKER COME UP AND TALK ABOUT WHAT IS IN PLACE IN REGARD TO THE STATE AND WHAT ALLOWS THEM TO BE GRANDFATHERED IN.

>> MR. STAUFER FROM OUR LEGAL COUNCIL.

MR. BAKER? >> THE SPR ORDINANCE WAS NOT AND DOES NOT -- IT DOES NOT TARGET ANY SPECIFIC COMPANY OR INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS. IT COULD CAUSE LIL -- LEGAL PROBLEMS FOR THE CITY. THAT'S WHY YOU SHOULD NOT BE REFERRING TO SPECIFIC COMPANIES.

>> NOW MR. STAUFER THERE ARE QUESTIONS FOR COUNCIL PERSON

STREETMAN. >> YEAH.

THE EASIEST WAY TO EXPLAIN IT IS TO READ OUT OF THE STATE STATUTE OUT. THAT'S TCA137603.

IT SAYS IN ORDINANCE RESOLUTION REGULATION RULE OR OTHER REQUIREMENT OF ANY TYPE THAT PROHIBITS EFFECTIVELY PROHIBITS OR OTHERWISE REGULATES THE USE OF PROPERTY AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL UNIT. THAT WOULD BE OUR ORDINANCE PASSED 3 SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR.

SHALL NOT UH -- APPLY TO THE PROPERTY IF THE PROPERTY WAS BEING USED AS SHORT-TERM RENTAL UNIT BY THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY PRIOR TO THE ORDINANCE.

YOU NOTICE HOW I USE THE PHRASE USED AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL UNIT. BASICALLY WHAT THAT MEANS IS IF A PROPERTY IS HOLDING OUT A PROPERTY AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL UNIT AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS PLAYING APPLICABLE TAXES YOU IS THE PASSAGE OF THE ORDINANCE.

>> COUNCIL PERSON STREETMAN? >> ONE QUESTION I HAVE IN THAT IN REGARD TO IT. EVEN THOSE GRANDFATHERED IN, IF THERE ARE THREE VIOLATIONS OF LOCAL LAW, THEY LOSE THEIR STATUS AND THEY COME UNDER THIS ORDINANCE, CORRECT?

>> THE PROPERTY CAN LOSE THE GRANDFATHER STATUS AND WILL LOSE THE GRANDFATHER STATUS UPON BEING SOLD, TRANSFERRED OR CEASING TO BE USED AS A RENTAL FOR 30 CONTINUOUS MONTHS OR BE IN VIOLATION OF A GENERALLY APPLICABLE LAW THREE

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TIMES. >> SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF RESPONSIBLE STR OPERATORS, NO DOUBT.

IF YOU HAVE SOME THAT MAYBE AREN'T REALLY CONCERNED WITH WHAT IS GOING ON AT THEIR PROPERTY AND THEY HAD CONTINUAL PROBLEMS AND I CAN THINK OF ONE SPECIFICALLY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I HAD SOMEONE SPEAK TO ME THE OTHER NIGHT. IF THEY HAVE CONTINUAL ISSUE THAT'S GO ON THERE AFTER A CERTAIN POINT THAT THEY CURRENTLY CALL AND THEY ARE ISSUED CITATIONS.

WITHOUT THIS ALL THEY CAN DO WITH WHAT THEY VO -- THEY HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. IT IS THE POLICE.

IS THERE A STATUS THAT THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR.

>> THANK YOU. HANG ON MR. STAUFFER.

WE NEED YOU UP HERE. COUNCIL PERSON BUTLER, YOU ARE

RECOGNIZED. >> ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT TENNESSEE ALREADY HAS A REGULATION THAT COVERS

SHORT-TERM RENTALS? >> WELL, TO THE EXTENT OF WHAT I READ TO YOU. IT GOVERNS WOULD -- WHAT I

JUST -- >> CAN YOU READ THAT NUMBER

AGAIN? >> WHAT IS THE NUMBER?

>> 13-7-603. >> WHAT COUNCILMEMBER STREETMAN HAS SAID -- [INODD] IN -- [INAUDIBLE].

>> IF YOU WOULD GET TO THE MIC.

>> THEY DIDN'T PASS REGULATIONS TO REGULATE FDR'S.

INSTEAD WHAT THEY DID IS PASS A LAW TO LIMIT THE ABILITY OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO REGULATE IT.

THEY SAY YOU CAN'T REGULATE THEM BY LAW, BUT IT PUTS LIMITS ON HOW WE CAN REGULATE THE SDR'S.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A

QUESTION OF MR. STAUFFER? >> COUNCIL PERSON SMITH.

AND THEN TO YOU. >> CAN WE GET A COPY OF THIS

REGULATION. >> IT IS ONLINE, COUNCIL -- SOWN KILL WOMAN -- COUNCIL WOMAN SMITH.

>> THANK YOU. YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> I AM NOT IF IT IS TO STAUFER OR THE SPONSOR, BUT BEING AN ORDINANCE FOR OUR CITY I AM CURIOUS AS TO WHAT ARE THE REPERCUSSIONS IF THE RENTERS OR THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL CUSTOMERS OR COMMUNITY, THE PARENT COMPANY, I FEEL LIKE YOU CAN GET ON THE COUNCIL FLOOR AND THERE IS A DIFFERENT COMPANY IN THE STR ORDINANCE THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING. I GUESS I WANTED TO KNOW -- IT CONCERNS A QUESTION AND THAT IS A MAIN CONCERN.

ARE WE DOING OUR DUTY THAT IS SPOKEN FOR IN THE POLICIES.

WE STARTED REGULATING AND SO THE POLICIES ARE IN PLACE FOR THE SAFETY OF THE CUSTOMERS UTILIZING THE SERVICES.

AND I DON'T HAVE A LAW DEGREE, BUT THE ASSUMPTION WOULD BE SOME OF THE PARENT COMPANIES OR THE ONES BEING UTILIZED IN THE COMMUNITY, I QUESTION WHAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE.

>> I AM I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY ORDINANCE.

>> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION OF MR. STAUFER?

THANK YOU. >> I HAVE COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT. DO YOU WISH TO BE RECOGNIZED ON THIS ISSUE? YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

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>> I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE ARE TREND SETTERS IN THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT.

I LITERALLY -- THIS DOCUMENT AS IT STANDS CURRENTLY, I ACTUALLY PROVIDED A COPY OF THIS TO THE FELLOW COUNTY COMMISSIONER FROM I BELIEVE IT IS BLOUNT CON -- COUNTY WHO NEEDED SOME SORT OF A SHORT-TERM RENTAL REGULATION TO SUBMIT TO HIS COUNTY COMMISSION.

I AM A FAN OF FACTS, FIGURES AND NUMBERS, RIGHT? I WANTED TO SHARE A SURVEY DONE OF A THOUSAND PEOPLE ACROSS THE NATION ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTAL CONCERNS.

50% OF RESPONDENTS SAY THEY FEEL LESS SAFE IF THERE IS A SHORT-TERM RENTER HOSTING NEXT DOOR.

AND 40% THOUGHT THEIR HOME VALUES WOULD DECREASE.

KEEPING THIS ON HAND WOULD HELP TO ALLEVIATE THE ISSUE WE HAVE WITH RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY.

AGAIN. I AM TOTALLY FOR KEEPING THIS ON HAND VERSUS GETTING RID OF IT ALTOGETHER.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT. COUNCIL PERSON BUTLER, DID YOU WISH TO ADDRESS -- OKAY. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ON.

YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >> I TRY NOT TO REPEAT WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE SAYS. THIS IS IMPORTANT TO ME.

I WAS THE ORIGINAL SPONSOR OF THE REPEAL.

SO I DID WANT TO REITERATE, AND I APOLOGIZE THAT SOME OF IT IS REDUNDANT. GOING BACK TO THE FEES WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND IT TAGS ON TO WHAT PREVIOUS SPEAKERS SAID. I TAKE SERIOUS ISSUES WITH THE FACT THAT WE ARE LIVING SOMETHING THAT IS AGAINST OUR RESIDENTS. WE ARE DOING THAT TO THEM AND EXPECTING THEM TO COVER THE FEES FOR WHAT WE ARE IMPOSING ON THEM. SO THAT IS THE FIRST THING I AGREE WITH THAT HAS BEEN SAID AROUND HERE TONIGHT.

TODAY, TONIGHT. COULD CAVEAT ON WHAT MR. --

>> IF I COULD INTERRUPT YOU. PLEASE DON'T REFER TO MEMBERS BY NAME. I KNOW WE HAD -- IT IS JUST

PREVIOUS SPEAKER. >> TO CAVEAT ON A PREVIOUS

SPEAKER -- >> THANK YOU.

>> I AGREE THAT WHAT WE ARE HEARING AROUND THIS CHAMBER IS DEMONIZATION OF NOT ONLY SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNERS, BUT SHORT-TERM RENTAL USERS. I STILL BELIEVE THAT THIS INORDINATELY AFFECTS OUR MILITARY COMMUNITY AND OUR RESIDENTS ARE BEING PUNISHED FOR INNOVATION.

WE HEARD THAT THREE APPLICANTS HAVE APPLIED IN THE ALMOST SIX MONTHS NOW THAT THIS HAS BEEN IN THE BOOKS.

WE EXPECT PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING THEY ARE ALREADY OUTSIDE THE LAW NOT PAYING TAXES TO COME FORWARD NOW AND SUDDENLY START DOING THE RIGHT THING.

TO CAVEAT ON A PREVIOUS SPEAKER, THESE PARENT COMPANIES DO HAVE -- THEY DO HAVE THINGS IN THEIR -- TO BE A PART OF THEM. THE PEOPLE THAT PARTICIPATE NEED TO BE IN LINE WITH. FRANKLY, THE CITY OF CLARKSVILLE DOESN'T NEED TO DO THEIR JOB.

A LOT OF WHAT I AM HEARING TONIGHT IS CAS -- CATASROPHIZING. THESE ARE BUSINESS OWNERS.

THESE ARE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITIES THAT ARE BEING INTHAT YOU VIA TIFF AND FIGURING OUT -- INNOVATIVE AND FIGURING OUT SOMETHING TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY.

I THINK WE ARE POINTING AT THEM TELLING THEM THEY ARE PROBLEMATIC AND IT IS NOT ALWAYS TRUE.

THERE ARE A FEW WORDS USED HERE HERE TONIGHT THAT ARE EXACTLY THE REASON I BROUGHT THIS UP FOR REPEAL.

WE'RE GONNA FIND THEM, THESE 332 PEOPLE, CAPRIATI TOUR THEM -- CAPTURE THEM AND CAPTURE THEIR MONEY, THEIR TAXES AND WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THEM COMPLY.

AND WE ARE DOING THAT WITH A THIRD PARTY BUSINESS THAT IS NOW ADDING EVEN MORE MONEY INTO THAT -- INTO OUR BUDGET.

SORRY. THE LAST THING I HAD WRITTEN DOWN HERE IS YOU DON'T GET TO PICK YOUR NEIGHBORS.

I UNDERSTAND. I AM A HOMEOWNER.

I UNDERSTAND IF SOMEBODY PUTS SOMETHING NEXT TO MY HOUSE IT MAY OR MAY NOT MAKE ME HAPPY. AND I UNDERSTAND PROPERTY RIGHTS, BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, THIS IS A HUGE PRAGUE -- PROBLEM IN CLARKSVILLE IN GENERAL THAT WE ARE GROWING SO MUCH AND PEOPLE ARE -- YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANT US TO PUT A HOUSE HERE, OR THEY DON'T WANT US TO DEVELOP THIS LAND BECAUSE THEY LIKE THE WILDLIFE OR WHATNOT.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS YOU DON'T GET TO PICK YOUR

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I WILL SAY, THIS WAS VOTED DOWN THREE TIMES LAST MONTH.

THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT AMENDMENTS THAT COMPLETELY STRUCK MY REPEAL. NEITHER ONE OF THEM PASSED.

WE PASSED THIS. I UNDERSTAND IT IS -- THERE IS A REASON FOR THE TWO READINGS AND I RESPECT THAT.

BUT YOU GUYS DID THE RIGHT THING ON THIS LAST MONTH, AND I AM JUST ASKING YOU TO STAND YOUR GROUND AND STICK TO YOUR GUNS AND LET'S GET THIS OFF. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON BUTLER.

COUNCIL PERSON LITTLE. >> SO GOING ON WITH THIS AND I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS WITH THE STR THAT I HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH. IT IS MAINLY THE FEES OR THE READING OF IT AND SOME OF THE OVER REACH IN IT AS FAR AS NOT EVEN BEING ABLE TO COOK FOR SOMEBODY IN THE HOUSE.

WHILE THINKING ABOUT IT WE UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS AND WORKING IN A LAW ENFORCEMENT CAPACITY.

THERE IS A NEED FOR SOME SORT OF OVERSIGHT TO THE SAFETY OF OTHERS I AM ALL FOR EVERYBODY'S RIGHTS, BUT I DON'T WANT ANYBODY ELSE'S RIGHTS INFRINGED ON BECAUSE OF SOMEBODY ELSE. SOMEBODY ELSE'S ACTIVITIES.

THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF AND MY MAIN THING IS JUST GOING OUT -- I WOULD TAKE OUT A LOT OF THIS STUFF AND LEAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE TO PUT SOME SECURITIES AND SAFETY IN PLACE FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T SEEM TO GET IT RIGHT AND DON'T CARE ABOUT THE PROPERTIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

YES YOU LOSE THE ABILITY TO OPERATE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL IF YOU CAN'T MAKE SURE IT IS WORKING AND OPERATING IN A MATTER THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE CITY OF CLARKSVILLE. THAT'SULE I HAVE -- THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A LOT OF OVERREACHING AND SOME FEES NEED TO BE KNOCKED OUT.

>> I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH CLARKSVILLE'S GROWTH, THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS, THEY WILL ONLY INCREASE IN NUMBER. IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE IT IS ADDRESSED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

IF YOU LOOK AT GOVERNMENT SAFETY AND THINGS IMPOSED, FOR EXAMPLE, SEAT BELT LAWS AND HELMET LAWS, HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE BUSINESSES RAMPS, THAT KIND OF A THING.

THIS IS A NEW ENVIRONMENT FOR BUSINESS AND EVENTUALLY SOMETHING WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN FOR THE CONSUMER.

THAT'S ALL HAVE I TO SAY. >> THANK YOU.

BACK TO YOU, COUNCIL PERSON STREETMAN.

>> I WILL JUST CLARIFY A FEW THINGS.

AND THEN I WILL CALL IT A NIGHT ON THIS UNTIL NEXT

WEEK. >> ARE YOU RECOGNIZED.

>> YOU CAN ONLY SPEAK TWICE ON A PARTICULAR ITEM.

>> I BELIEVE I YIELDED THE FLOOR.

>> YOU SPOKE ABOUT IT TO GET IT ON THERE AND THEN A FEW SPEAKERS AGO. THAT'S TWICE.

>> I GOT YOU. LET ME SEEK CLARIFICATION FROM OUR PARLIMENTARIAN, MR. BAKER.

THIS IS EXECUTIVE SESSION AND DOES THAT RULE STILL APPLY?

>> I HAVE NEVER COME UP -- I HAVE NEVER HAD IT COME UP BEFORE. MY RECOLLECTION IS -- WHAT THE CITY CODE SAYS IS ROBERTS RULE OF ORDER GOVERNS ALL MEETINGS AND PROCEEDINGS. SO IT WOULD PROBABLY APPLY TO EXECUTIVE SESSION EVEN THOUGH EXECUTIVE SESSION IS TRADITIONALLY AND BY CUSTOM AND BY PRACTICE IS MORE FREE WHEELING AND OPEN. YOU DON'T HAVE MOTIONS.

YOU DON'T HAVE SECONDS AND YOU DON'T HAVE VOTES.

I BELIEVE ROBERTS RULES WOULD APPLY.

>> OKAY. WE WILL ADHERE TO ROBERTS RULES. I THOUGHT YOU WERE WAIVING AT ME. WE ARE MOVING ON.

COUNCIL PERSON STWREET -- STREETMAN.

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ANYBODY WISH TO BE RECOGNIZED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA?

COUNCIL PERSON SMITH. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE AND IT SAYS THAT AMENDING THE OFFICIAL CODE DESIGNATING JUNETEENTH AS EMANCIPATION DAY AS A CITY HOLIDAY.

WHEN WE SAY EMANCIPATION DAY IS IT AUGUST 8TH?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> OKAY.

I'M GOOD TO GO. >> COUNCIL PERSON HOLLEMAN, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

>> THANK YOU. I WANT IT TO BE KNOWN 69- 2020-21 I WILL BE ABSTAINING BECAUSE I HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER

INVOLVED IN THE REZONING. >> THANK YOU.

COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT ORDINANCE 64- 20-21 JUNETEENTH AND EMANCIPATION DAY. I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY AND I HAVE GOTTEN SEVERAL E 345*EU8 -- EMAILS ABOUT THE HOLIDAY. WE CURRENTLY HAVE 12 PAID HOLIDAYS. THIS WILL INCREASE CITY EMPLOYEES TO 14 TOTAL HOLIDAYS.

I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THE PEOPLE WE REPRESENT ARE LUCKY IF THEY HAVE 10 PAID HOLIDAYS TO THE PEOPLE PAYING THE TAXES TO SUPPORT US.

THIS WILL COST THE TAXPAYERS THIS YEAR ONLY FOR THE FIRST HOLIDAY $153,000 THAT COST DOES NOT INCLUDE GAS AND WATER AND IT DOES NOT INCLUDE CDE. THEY INDICATED IT WOULD NOT INCREASE THEIR BUDGET AND IT WOULD NOT ASK FOR ADDITIONAL BUDGETS. WE ARE DECREASING THE NUMBER OF DAYS THAT WE SERVE OUR COMMUNITY BY TWO DAYS.

I RESPECT THE HISTORICAL ASPECT OF THE HOLIDAYS.

DISCUSSING THE COST TO OUR CONSTITUENTS AND RECOGNIZING THEIR SACRIFICE TO SUPPORT THE HOLIDAY OR HISTORICAL REFERENCES. I WILL SUGGEST AGAIN THAT WE UH UH -- APPROVE JUNETEENTH AS A HOLIDAY AND AUGUST AS A NONPAID HOLIDAY. WE SHOULD HAVE OFFERED THAT WE SACRIFICED ONE OF THE 12 HOLIDAYS AND ADDED THE OFFICE HOLIDAYS. WE SHOULD HAVE DONE IT SEPARATELY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU MAKE $12 AN HOUR AND THAT'S $24,960 A YEAR.

AND THAT IS SIX TIMES MY ANNUAL SALARY AND THAT IS -- THIS IS A GREAT CAUSE AND WE -- GREAT COST AND WE NEED TO BE RESPECTABLE -- RESPECTFUL OF THAT.

>> THANK YOU. MR. BAKER?

>> FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE NEW MEMBERS, I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT THE REASON I AM SAYING THIS IS I HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF EMAILS FROM MULTIPLE COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT IT.

IF YOU STILL WANT TO REVISIT ORDINANCE 64 TO CHANGE IT FROM WHAT PASSED ON THE FIRST READING, YOU HAVE TO NOTICE IT AFTER THE CONSENT AGENDA IS READ THAT YOU WANT TO PULL IT FROM THE AGENDA. DON'T FORGET TO DO THAT IF ANY

OF YOU WANT TO DO THAT. >> THANK YOU, MR. BAKER.

>> AND YOU WILL NEED A WRITTEN AMENDMENT TO BE PASSED OUT.

AND IF YOU WANT TO CONTACT ME TO HELP YOU WITH THAT, THAT'S FINE. I THINK WE HAVE ALREADY HAD ON OUR FIRST READING MULTIPLE AMENDMENTS TO DO WHAT SOME OF YOU ARE WANTING TO DO. I HOPE YOU WILL CALL ME OR

EMAIL ME. >> MR. GARRETT?

>> I AM ABSTAINING FROM VOTING FROM 66.

>> THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL PERSON SMITH, THIS WOULD BE YOUR SECOND -- SECOND TIME.

>> ON THIS ONE, OKAY. ANYWAY, SPEAKING IN REFERENCE TO WHAT THE LAST SPEAKER SAID ABOUT HOW MUCH IT IS GOING TO COST AND ALL OF US AS TAXPAYERS AND HOW MANY HOLIDAYS WE HAVE, WITH THAT BEING IN MIND, I WAS THINKING ABOUT MAYBE WE SHOULD GET RID OF COLUMBUS DAY.

LET US KEEP THESE TWO HOLIDAYS. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA.

WE DON'T HAVE MANY AFRICAN-AMERICAN DAYS WE CELEBRATE IN ALL OF THOSE DAYS.

THERE IS ONLY ONE THAT WE CELEBRATE AND THAT IS DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING DAY. AND SO LET'S GET RID OF SOME OF THESE OTHER HOLIDAYS THAT ARE ALL WHITE HOLIDAYS.

AND LET'S THINK ABOUT PUTTING THESE TWO ON THE BOARD AND SAY -- SAYING, WE CAN ADD A COUPLE MORE.

THAT'S ALL I'M GONNA SAY. I THINK WE NEED TO GET RID OF

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>> WE HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN RID OF COLUMBUS DAY.

WE DO NOT RECOGNIZE COLUMBUS DAY.

A BHOL DASH -- DASH THANK YOU, MAYOR FORETELLING ME THAT -- FOR TELLING ME THAT.

THERE ARE A LOT OF DAYS WE CAN GET RID OF INSTEAD OF THESE TWO. I THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME KNOW THAT COLUMBUS DAY IS NOT CELEBRATED.

SOME SCHOOLS STILL CELEBRATE COLUMBUS DAY.

I JUST THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WE WANT TO GET RID OF AUGUST 8TH AND JUNE 19TH, THAT WE GET RID OF SEVERAL OTHER HOLIDAY THAT'S WE OVER -- OVERCELEBRATE.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU COUNCIL PERSON SMITH. COUNCIL PERSON BUTLER FOR YOUR

FIRST TIME. >> IN REGARD TO THE PREVIOUS TWO SPEAKERS, I ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE CALENDAR, AND I ACTUALLY WROTE UP AN AMENDMENT AND I CHOSE NOT TO DO THAT BECAUSE WHEN WE TAKE AWAY THE FEDERAL HOLIDAYS FROM OUR CITY WORKERS, THAT MEANS WHILE EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY IS OFF DOING SOMETHING ELSE, OURS OUR STUCK IN THEIR OFFICES AND WORKING. I TALKED MYSELF OUT OF THAT ONE. I DID LOOK.

I ABSOLUTELY LOOKED BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I SAID TOO.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND SHIFT THE HOLIDAYS AROUND THEN.

AND I DID NOT HAVE ANY LUCK WITH THAT.

IF SOMEONE ELSE DOES, THEN I BESEECH YOU TO PLEASE MOTION THAT NEXT WEEK. I DO WANT TO TAKE A SECOND TO SAY I MADE MY VOTE LAST MONTH BECAUSE I CHOSE PEOPLE WHEN I MADE THE VOTE. MY PEOPLE, MY WARD 12 PEOPLE, 82 OF THEM IN THE FIRST 12 HOURS VOCALIZED TO ME, VIA THEIR REPRESENTATIVE, THAT THEY WERE UNHAPPY WITH THE FINANCIALS BEHIND THE TWO HOLIDAYS AND THE FACT THAT WHEN WE DECLARE THIS HOLIDAY, WE ARE ONLY DECLARING IT FOR CITY WORKERS. WE WANT THE BUSINESSES TO COME IN LINE WITH THIS, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ARE ACCOMPLISHING HERE. I GOTTA BE HONEST.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT I AM DOING WITH THIS YET.

IT IS A VERY EMOTIONAL THING. FOR MY BLACK CONSTITUENCY AND FRIENDS AND BROTHERS AND SISTERS, I DON'T I DON'T WANT THEM TO THINK MY VOTE WILL BE AGAINST THEM, BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT. I JUST WOULD REALLY LIKE TO FIND A BETTER ANSWER FOR THIS, YOU GUYS.

THANKS. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON BUTLER. COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT, YOU ARE

RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU.

>> FOR YOUR FIRST TIME. >> AS AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN, I UNDERSTAND THE SPIRIT OF HAVING BOTH THESE DAYS.

THIS IS EMOTIONAL FOR ME AS WELL.

I WILL SAY THATY PLANS -- THAT EMANCIPATION DAY IS THE CORRECT DAY AND FOLLOWED THROUGH BY THE STATE OF TENNESSEE. I UNDERSTAND THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF JUNETEENTH. I AM GONNA ASK IN THE FORM OF A STATEMENT TO OUR RESIDENT PARLIMENTARIAN, CONSIDERING THE FACT WE HAVE DISCUSSION ON THESE TWO DAYS AND, YES, I TOO RECEIVED CALLS AND MESSAGES AND WHAT HAVE YOU, EMAILS IN REGARDS TO THE COST, WHICH IS ABOUT $450,000, ROUGHLY, THAT WE WILL BE INCURRING FOR OUR TAXPAYERS.

SO HAVING SAID THAT, THE POINT AND PURPOSE OF MY ENTIRE STATEMENT IS THIS. IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN -- OR IS IT POSSIBLE THROUGH ROBERTS RULE TO DIVIDE THE

QUESTION? >> THERE IS -- YOU CAN ALWAYS DIVIDE THE QUESTION, BUT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. SO YOU WOULD LIKE TO BASK -- BASICALLY AS I UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT I THINK YOU ARE GETTING AT. YOU WANT TO PULL ORDINANCE 64 FOR A SEPARATE VOTE. AND THEN VOTE SEPARATELY ON WHETHER TO DECLARE JUNETEENTH AS AN OFFICIAL PAID HOLIDAY.

AND SOMEBODY CAN SEEK TO AMEND IT TO MAKE IT UNPAID.

AND THEN WHETHER TO DECLARE EMANCIPATION DAY AS A PAID CITY HOLIDAY AND SOMEBODY COULD AMEND IT TO MAKE IT AN UNPAID, BUT YET HONORARY HOLIDAY.

IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE ASKING? >> THAT IS ABSOLUTELY

CORRECT. >> YES, YOU CAN DO THAT THROUGH PARLIAMENTARY EFFORTS BY DIVIDING THE QUESTION.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT. COUNCIL PERSON REDD, YOU ARE

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RECOGNIZED. >> ORDINANCE 71, I AM ABSTAINING BECAUSE I OWN A DUPLEX ON CHARLOTTE AVENUE AND

CENTRAL. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON REDD. COUNCIL PERSON HOLLEMAN.

>> I WAS GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE EMANCIPATION DAY AND TWO HOLIDAYS. I SPOKE WITH SEVERAL CONSTITUENTS AND PEOPLE AROUND THE CITY THAT ARE OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN DISSENT. FOR THE MOST PART, THEY -- FOR THE MOST PART, THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT EXACTLY WAS EMANCIPATION DAY WAS. THEY KNEW ABOUT JUNETEENTH.

AT FIRST THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE THE TWO HOLIDAYS. I EXPLAINED TO THEM EVERYTHING. MOST OF THEM SAID, WELL THEN WHY ARE WE REWARDING THE CITY FOR THAT? WHY ARE THEY GETTING A DAY OFF? ONE OF MY GOOD FRIENDS SAID IT DOESN'T AFFECT HIM ANY BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY HE HAS TO GO TO WORK IN THE MORNING THAT THE CITY GETS OFF. THIS IS NOT MY WORDS.

THIS IS THE WORDS I HAVE HEARD FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE AROUND THE CITY. I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. THAT WAS MY TAKE FROM THE PEOPLE I SPOKE WITH. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL PERSON RICHMOND.

YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

>> YOUR FIRST. >> I AM NOT THE SMARTEST ECONOMIST IN THE ROOM, BUT THE BUDGET -- THE CITY BUDGET IS ALREADY ALLOTTED ON THE PAYROLL FOR THOSE EMPLOYEES, CORRECT? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE IS THE EXTRA MONEY COMING FROM? WHETHER THEY WORK A 5-DAY WORKWEEK OR A 6-DAY WORKWEEK, THE BUDGET IS THE BUDGET AND THE PAYROLL IS THE PAYROLL.

AGAIN, I AM NOT AN HR SPECIALIST, BUT I WANTED TO GET THAT ON THE TABLE IF SOMEBODY CAN ADDRESS THAT.

>> WE'LL GET AN ANSWER FOR YOU.

COUNCIL PERSON REDD, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> I'M SORRY. I MEANT ORDINANCE 68 AND NOT 71. THANKS.

>> COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> JUST TO ANSWER THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER, IT IS OVERTIME AND OTHER COSTS. MS. MATA, COULD YOU -- AM I MISSING ONE? I KNOW WE DISCUSSED IT.

>> VERY BRIEFLY, MS. MATA? >> IT IS THE COST TO COVER -- WE ARE A 24/7 OPERATION. IF WE DON'T HAVE STAFF HERE, SOMEBODY HAS TO COVER THAT POSITION.

IT COULD BE ADDITIONAL PAY TO AN EMPLOYEE TO COVER IT IN OVERTIME OR IT COULD BE STRAIGHT TIME, BUT THERE IS AN

ADDITIONAL COST. >> THANK YOU.

COUNCIL PERSON ALLEN, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT KNOWN THAT I SAID POINT OF INFORMATION. THE REASON I SAID THAT IS BECAUSE AWHILE AGO, IT WAS IGNORED BY YOU.

I SAID THAT BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER SAID IT WOULD COST $450,000 TO HAVE THIS HOLIDAY.

EACH HOLIDAY IS $153,000 WHICH IS $306,000.

I JUST WANTED TO CORRECT THE INFORMATION, SIR.

>> THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? I DON'T SEE ANYBODY ELSE ON THE LIST. OKAY.

WE ARE NOW MOVING -- I DID HEAR? OKAY. NOW WE ARE MOVING TO COMMITTEE

[3) FINANCE COMMITTEE ]

COUNCIL PERSON, CHAIRMAN STREETMAN, ARE YOU

RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THE ONLY ITEM AS FAR AS THE COMMITTEE ACTIONS WERE CONCERNED IS THAT WE HAD TO VOTE ON WAS ORDINANCE 75-2020-21, FIRST READING. AMENDING THE FISCAL YEAR 21 HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BUDGET TO INCLUDE THE 2021 COMMUNITY HOUSING PARTNERSHIP OF WILLIAMSON COUNTY THDA GRANT, EMERGENCY SOLUTIONS GRANT.

I'M NOT SURE IF ANYBODY FROM THAT DEPARTMENT IS ON AND WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IT. IF NOT, MYSELF OR MS. MATA CAN

TALK ABOUT IT. >> MR. NEWBURN, ARE YOU ON THE CALL? OH, THERE YOU ARE.

>> MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, MRS. JOHNSON FROM OUR DEPARTMENT IS ON THE LINE AND SHE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THIS

ONE. >> OKAY.

ALREADY. ALL RIGHT.

DEBORAH JOHNSON, DEPUTY DIRECTOR, PLEASE PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL FOR THE COUNCIL REGARDING THIS

ORDINANCE. >> THIS IS A CLEAN UP ITEM.

WE DISCOVERED THAT A -- LAST APRIL THE CONTINUUM OF CARE AGENCY GOT $50,000 FROM THDA AND THEY WANTED TO AWARD THE CITY OF CLARKSVILLE $16,250. THE CONTRACT -- WE WENT INTO

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APPROVE IT. >> THANK YOU, MS. JOHNSON.

COUNCIL PERSON GARRETT, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS

ORDINANCE? >> I BELIEVE SO.

WILL THIS ENCOMPASS HOW WE EXTENDED THE GRANT DEADLINE

FOR ADDITIONAL PEOPLE. >> THIS IS MERELY --

>> THIS IS DIFFERENT. >> THIS IS LAST CALENDAR YEAR FOR THE CONTINUUM OF CARE PROGRAM THE CITY ADMINISTERS.

AND SO THIS -- THAT'S WHY THIS IS HERE.

>> GOTCHA. >> I WILL WAIT FOR COMMUNITY

DEVELOPMENT. >> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF MS. JOHNSON? THANK YOU, MS. JOHNSON FOR THE REPORT. CHAIRPERSON STREETMAN YOU ARE

RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND MS. JOHNSON AND I WILL STATE THE FINANCE COMMITTEE DID VOTE FOR APPROVAL ON THIS ORDINANCE.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE FINANCE

COMMITTEE? >> NO, SIR, NOT AT THIS TIME.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

WE ARE NOW READY FOR GAS AND WATER COMMITTEE.

CHAIRPERSON REDD, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> WE DO NOT HAVE AN ITEM TO BRING BEFORE THE COUNCIL.

NEXT THURSDAY WE WILL HAVE A FULL REPORT OF WATER, WASTE WATER AND GAS DISTRIBUTION. THAT CON -- CONCLUDES MY

REPORT. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON,

[5) HOUSING & COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE]

RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THESE TWO RESOLUTIONS -- >> YOU MAY WANT TO EXPLAIN

THEM INDIVIDUALLY. >> THE FIRST ONE -- BOTH OF THESE WERE POSTPONING. LET ME SAY THAT.

THESE WERE PERTAINING TO THE COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANT CONSOLIDATED PLAN FOR THE CORONAVIRUS AID RELIEF AND ECONOMIC SECURITY ACT FUNDS. THESE ARE GRANTS THAT ARE GIVEN TO 501C3 FOR CORONAVIRUS AND PEOPLE AS WELL.

I WANT YOU TO LET MR. NEWMAN COME UP AND EXPLAIN ABOUT

THIS. >> IF YOU WOULD.

THIS IS COMPLICATED AND TIMELY.

>> MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THIS SPECIAL ROUND THE CHAIR JUST SPOKE OF IS A SPECIAL ROUND OF FEDERAL COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FUNDING.

IT IS ACTS CONGRESS PASSED LAST YEAR IF REGARDS TO THE CORONAVIRUS. THE FUNDS WE RECEIVED AND WE RECEIVED THEM AT TWO DIFFERENT ROUNDS ONE WAS FOR FROCKSLY $600 -- APPROXIMATELY $600,000 AND IT WAS GRANTED TO THE CITY TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE TO FAMILIES THAT WERE LOWER AND MODERATE INCOME FOR ANYTHING RELATED TO ROAN -- TO THE CORONAVIRUS. YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU THE SELECTIONS DONE IN PART BY OUR STAFF AND BY THE COUNCIL AND WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF MYSELF AND THE MAYOR.

THE NEXT STEPS IN THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS IS THAT SHOULD YOU PASS THE RESOLUTIONS NEXT WEEK, WE WILL IMMEDIATELY FILE A REQUEST TO OUR CONSOLIDATED PLAN AND WE CAN COME BACK AND ASK FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE BROG -- TO THE BUDGET AND WE CAN START TO PROCESS THE MONEY.

ONE OF THE QUESTION THAT'S HAS COME UP THROUGH THE PROCESS IS WHY HAS IT TAKEN SO LONG? PART OF IT, WITH REGARDS TO THE CORONAVIRUS I THINK GENERALLY SPEAKING FOR THE LAST SERIES OF PROGRAMS THAT THE CONGRESS PASSED IN REGARDS TO THE ZAGS -- DISASTER RECOVERY, SOMEHOW THE COMMUNITY RECEIVED THE FUNDS, BUT THEY HAVE NEVER CHANGED.

THAT MEANS THE PROCESSES ARE CUMBERSOME AND IN MANY INSTANCES IT RELATES TO THE DELIVERY OF FUNDS.

I THINK WE ARE GOING TO BE VERY MUCH ON TIME IN TERMS OF DELIVERY GIVEN THE FACT OTHER PROGRAMS HAVE RECEIVE -- RECEIVED CORONAVIRUS FUNDS. THOSE FOLKS THAT WERE ADVERSELY AFFECTED, ADDITIONAL HELP IS ON THE WAY.

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>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS RESOLUTION? HANG ON. I HAVE A LIST AND I WILL GET TO YOU. COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT?

>> YES, SIR. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW IN EXHIBIT A IT TALKS ABOUT THE PROGRAM ADMINISTRATION.

IT IS $287,000. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO FOE WHAT THAT IS -- TO KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

>> UNDER THE FEDERAL COMMUNITY OF THE BLOCK GRANT PROGRAM THERE IS A 20% ALLOWANCE MAXIMUM FOR THE PROGRAM ADMINISTRATION. THAT DOESN'T COVER THE COST OF THE STAFF, BUT IT EASES THE BURDEN.

THAT'S A STATUTORY THING. WE ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF

THAT. >> THANK YOU.

COUNCIL PERSON GARRETT, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION OF MR. STREETMAN? YOU ARE RECOGNIZED AND THEN

ALLEN. >> THE FAIR HOUSING COUNSELING AND THE LEGAL ASSISTANCE, WHAT ALL DOES THAT ENTAIL? IS THAT MORE THAN A FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS CLASS, I AM ASSUME

SNG. >> MAYOR COUNCILMAN GARRETT, GLAD YOU ASKED THIS QUESTION. ONE OF THE THINGS THROUGHOUT THIS CRISIS THAT HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE IS THE FACT THAT FAMILIES HAVE BEEN ADVERSELY AFFECTED LEGALLY.

THEY LOST THEIR JOB. NOW THEY LOST THEIR INCOME.

IF YOU ARE A RENTER AND LOST YOUR JOB AND NOW YOU ARE UNABLE TO PAY YOUR RENT AND ARE OUT ON THE STREET.

THE LEGAL CONSEQUENCES IS PART OF THE MAYOR'S RECOMMENDATION HAD EVERYTHING TO DO WITH TWO THINGS.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE REPRESENTED LEGALLY TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. THEY WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR RIGHTS ARE UNDER THE FEDERALLY ASSISTED PROGRAMS. IT IS LONG OVERDUE IN THE COMMUNITY AND IT ADDRESSES

EVERYTHING WE DO. >> AND JUST A FOLLOW-UP WITH THE PLUM STREET HOUSE REHABILITATION.

IS THAT A SEPARATE ENTITY OR ARE WE REHABILITATING THE

HOUSE. >> COUNCIL, WE OWN THAT HOUSE. IT IS TIMELY WITH THE CORONAVIRUS FUNDS THAT WE WILL DO SUBSTANTIAL REHABILITATION BY THOSE AFFECTED ADVERSELY BY THE CORONAVIRUS AND LATER FOR

FIRE BURNOUT VICTIMS TOO. >> I GUESS THE LAST QUESTION FOR YOU IS -- IF MY MEMORY SERVES CORRECTLY, WE SENT OUT A NOTICE TO POTENTIAL NONPROFITS FOR THE CDGB.

>> MARCH 2ND. I CAME ACROSS ONE YESTERDAY THAT THEY PROVIDE A SERVICE THAT I BELIEVE QUALIFIES FOR IT. HOWEVER, I DON'T KNOW THAT -- I KNOW THEY DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO GO TO ANY TYPES OF WORKSHOPS AND THAT IS GENERALLY ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR OTHER ROUNDS OF FUNDING.

IS THAT A REQUIREMENT FOR WHAT HAS BEEN EXTENDED TO MARCH SECOND THAT THEY HAD GONE THROUGH THE WORKSHOP YOU

OFFER? >> COUNCILMAN, I WILL START YOUR ANSWER AND THEN DEFER TO BRITNEY ON THE LINE.

SHE HEADS THAT EFFORT UP. THE APPLICATION -- I WAS GOING TO SAY THE APPLICATION PERIOD HAS BEEN EXTENDED UNTIL MARCH SECOND. THIS YEAR WE ELIMINATED THE REQUIREMENT THAT THEY HAD TO LEARN AT THE WORKSHOPS BEFORE I FILED AN APPLICATION. WE DID THAT PRIMARILY BECAUSE WE NEEDED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO INCREASE PARTICIPATION IN THE PROGRAM. THERE ARE A TREMENDOUS NUMBER OF NONPROFITS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT COULD BE AND SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

THE APPLICATION PROCESS IS SIM POLICE PARTICULAR -- SIMPLISTIC. BRITNEY, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED THAT I LEFT OUT?

>> NO, I BELIEVE YOU TOUCHED ALL OF THE TOPICS.

THE DEADLINE IS MARCH 2ND AT 2 P.M.

>> AND THIS ONE DOES NOT HAVE TO BE COVID RELATED, JUST AS LONG AS IT ADMINISTERS TO THE OVER ARCHING THEME.

>> CORRECT. THIS IS OUR ANNUAL ROUND OF

CGDB FUNDING. >> THANK YOU.

>> COUNCIL PERSON ALLEN, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> OKAY, SIR. THE FIRST QUESTION I HAVE IS FOR THESE FUNDS WILL THERE BE ABLE TO BE USED IF SOMEBODY

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AGO OR IS IT JUST REALTIME? >> ONE OF THE ATTRACTIVE THINGS IS IT DOES ALLOW FOR THE REPAYMENT OF ARREARS.

THE FUNDS GO TO THE UTILITY COMPANY AND NOT DIRECTLY TO THE FAMILY. TYPICALLY FAMILIES AFFECTED BY THE CORONAVIRUS SINCE THE START DATE IN MARCH MIGHT HAVE AN UH REAR REG OF -- ARREARAGE OF TWO TO THREE MONTHS.

IT DEPENDS FROM MARCH WHICH IS THE START DATE WHEN THE PRESIDENTIAL DECLARATION AND HOW FAR BACK YOU GO.

AND OUR RULES WE HAVE SIGNIFIED THAT A FAMILY COULD RECEIVE OR BE PAID UP TO SIX MONTHS.

>> ALL RIGHT. MY NEXT QUESTION IS ABOUT THE TIMELINE. SO THIS IS THE FIRST READING.

NEXT MONTH WOULD HAVE TO BE THE SECOND READING.

AND THEN WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO HUDD?

>> THEN WE GO TO HUDD IMMEDIATELY.

AS IN THE VERY NEXT DAY. AND WE WILL FILE OUR AMENDMENT. WHEN WE RECEIVE THE CONTRACT BACK FROM HUDD WHICH WE BELIEVE IS SET WITH GOD SPEED. AND THEN WE WILL ASK FOR A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO SPEND THE MONEY.

>> LET ME INTERJECT. THIS IS A RESOLUTION 1 THAT I

AM READING? >> OH IT IS ONE READING? OH, OKAY. OKAY.

MY BAD. SO AFTER THIS READING RIGHT HERE, THEN AS SOON AS IT -- NEXT WEEK.

SO WE ARE LOOKING AT TWO OR THREE WEEKS UNTIL THE MONEY

CAN BE DEPLOYED? >> I HAVE BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW TO UNDER PROMISE AND OVER DELIVER AND THAT'S THE CASE WITH THE ANSWER HERE.

>> WHAT IS WORST CASE SCENARIO?

>> A MONTH. >> IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO PUT INTO THIS RESOLUTION TO MAKE SURE THAT OVERSIGHT IS THERE OR WHAT DO WE HAVE T.O. DO TO -- WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO TO MAKE SURE THE OVERSIGHTS ARE THERE SO THE

FUNDS ARE DEPLOYED EQUALLY? >> IT WOULD BE BETTER AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL AND AS -- CORRECT.

YOU AND I HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THAT AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION. AT SOME POINT IN TIME I WILL TALK TO THE COMMITTEE AND I WILL HAVE NO PROBLEM.

>> AS FAR AS THE OVERSIGHT GOES, THE AGREEMENTS WE PUT IN PLACE, WE DON'T JUST WRITE CHECKS.

THEY WOULD HAVE TO ADHERE TO CERTAIN GUIDELINES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION?

>> NO, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THE OVERSIGHT WE RAN INTO IN THE PAST WHERE CERTAIN PEOPLE WOULD GET -- WE WANTED TO KNOW WHO IS GETTING DECLINED FROM THESE FUNDS VERSUS -- I MEAN, IF EVERYBODY IS GETTING IT, EVERYBODY IS GETTING IT.

WE DON'T WANT RED TAPE. THAT'S MY POINT.

WE DON'T WANT RED TAPE TO STOP PEOPLE FROM GETTING FUNDS THAT NEED IT DUE TO COVID. AND THAT IS WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AMOUNT OF GETTING THE FEEDBACK.

WHO IS BEING DE -- DEPRIVED AND WHY?

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> WELCOME BACK.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO BACK TO THE CHAIR? THANK YOU.

>> I I WILL ASK MR. THEYMAN -- MR. NEWMAN TO STAY UP HERE, PLEASE. THIS IS A RESOLUTION WE POSTPONED AND I WILL ASK MR. NEWMAN TO EXPAND UPON IT

IF HE WILL, PLEASE. >> I WILL START, AND AGAIN MRS. KATZ IS ON THE LINE AND SHE CAN FOLLOW-UP.

>> AS A CONDITION OF THE RECEIPT OF FEDERAL HUD DOLLARS AND THAT'S OUR CDGB, THE EMERGENCY SOLUTIONS GRANT PROGRAM, WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE IN PLACE A CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN. THIS PLAN, THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS REQUIRES THE RECIPIENTS TO SET OUT THE PROCEDURES WE ARE GOING TO USE TO INFORM THE PUBLIC OF HOW WE

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WE HAVE HAD THIS IN THE BOOKS SINCE 1995.

THIS ONE WE ARE PROPOSING TO BE CHANGED WE HAVE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION A FEW THINGS. THE WORLD HAS EVOLVED GREATLY SINCE 19905 WHEN -- 1995. WE DON'T USE PRINT NEWSPAPER EXCLUSIVELY TO NOTIFY THE PUBLIC.

WE USE ELECTRONIC MEANS NOW. BASICALLY IT HAS BEEN AMENDED FOR THE CHANGES. THE OTHER THING IS WAYS WE COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO REACH OUT TO PEOPLE MOST LIKELY TO NOT PARTICIPATE WITHOUT NOTICE. PERSONS OF COLOR, THE LGBT COMMUNITY ARE ALL EXAMPLES OF COMMUNITIES IN WHICH WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE THOSE ORGANIZATIONS AND THOSE COMMUNITIES AWARE OF WHAT WE DO AND THE AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS AS COUNCILMAN GARRETT ELUDED TO AWHILE AGO.

THAT IS THE GIST OF THE PROGRAM ITSELF.

BRITNEY, DID I LEAVE ANYTHING OUT?

>> NO, YOU DIDN'T, BUT JUST FOR AN EXAMPLE LIKE THIS EMERGENCY AMENDMENT FOR THE CDGBD, THE NEW CPP PLAN REALLY LAYS OUT IN MORE DETAIL WHAT OUR OFFICE NEEDS TO DO IN THESE KINDS OF CIRCUMSTANCES. THAT'S IT.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? I'M SORRY.

GO AHEAD, CHAIRPERSON SMITH. >> GO AHEAD, MAYOR.

>> ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. NEW BURN?

CHAIRPERSON SMITH? >> I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MR. NEWMAN AND THIS CONCLUDES WHAT WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK. I PRAY YOU WILL ALL VOTE FOR THIS BECAUSE I KNOW IT IS NEEDED.

WE HAVE MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY IN NEED.

WE KNOW THE MONEY DOES NOT GO DIRECTLY TO THE APPLICANT.

THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR IT AT LIKE THE UNITED WAY AND CERTAIN PLAYINGS -- PLACES LIKE THAT, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. AND MAYOR, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE LEADERSHIP OF THE CHAIR.

>> WELL, THANK YOU. >> BEFORE YOU LEAVE, MR. NEWBURN, COUNCIL PERSON RICHMOND.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. MR. NEWBURN, WELCOME AND I LOOK FORWARD TO CONNELLING AND MEETING WITH -- TO COMING DOWN AND MEETING WITH YOU AND GETTING MORE ACQUAINTED.

>> IN CASE I MISSED IT OR A POINT OF CLARIFICATION FOR MYSELF, IS THIS THE COMMUNITY -- THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN WHERE THE COMMUNITY COMES OUT AND WEIGHS

IN ON IT? >> YOU ARE PARTIALLY CORRECT.

THIS IS THE ■PLANWHERE WE SET%-, LETTER C IS TALKING ABOUT THE

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FOLKS DON'T LIKE THEIR ADDRESS CHANGED.

WE HAD TO CHANGE TWO NUMBERS THIS PAST YEAR BECAUSE WE HAD TWO SUBDIVISIONS GROWING TOGETHER.

WE HAD TWO NUMBERS THAT WERE OUT OF SEQUENCE WITH THE ROAD GOING THROUGH. WE HAD TO CHANGE THE NUMBERS AND WE HAD TO CHANGE EVERY DELIVERY ADDRESS AND EVERY CREDIT CARD, BANK, MORTGAGE, YOU NAME.

IT AND IT CAN TAKE YEARS TO GET IT VETTED OUT.

EVEN MOVING FROM ONE ADDRESS TO ANOTHER TAKES MONTHS TO YEARS TO GET ALL OF YOUR MAIL FORWARDED LET ALONE IT IS JUST ANOTHER VERSION OF FORWARDING.

I HOPE THAT ANSWERS A LOT OF YOUR QUESTIONS.

>> COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, THANK YOU MR. TYNDALL.

IF YOU WANT TO SEE EXACTLY WHO IT IS THAT OPPOSED IT, I HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION HERE ON MY NOTEBOOK.

I WOULD UH -- APPRECIATE YOU VOTING IT DOWN.

>> COUNCIL PERSON SMITH, ARE YOU RECOGNIZED.

>> MR. TYNDAL, IF WE VOTED TO CHANGE THE NAME, WE HAVE THAT AUTHORITY, I DON'T KNOW. BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS COULD WE GIVE THE RESIDENTS A YEAR TO GET IT DONE? I REMEMBER SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

I REMEMBER WHEN WE CHANGED THE HIGHWAY AND PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT TO CHANGE THE NAME. THERE WAS A FUSS LIKE WE ARE HAVING NOW. IT HAPPENED AND I THINK THEY GAVE THEM A YEAR TO GET IT DONE, TO CHANGE THE ADDRESS.

>> I WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION.

THE CITY COUNCIL DOES HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CHANGE ROAD NAMES. IF THAT DOES HAPPEN, WE WILL TAKE OUR ROLE AND CONTACT THE OTHER DEPARTMENTSY -- DEPARTMENTS. WE WILL WORK IN THE PROCESS.

OR JUST LIKE WE HAD DONE IT OURSELVES.

WE HAVE THAT AUTHORITY AS WELL AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

AS FAR AS GIVING IT A TIME FRAME, IT IS HARD TO SAY.

THIS REALLY DEALS WITH THE DELIVERY OF MAIL AND EMERGENCY SERVICES. IF YOU CALL UP FROM A CERTAIN ADDRESS, THE COMPUTER HAS ONE ADDRESS IN THERE FOR YOUR HOUSE OR YOUR LOCATION. IF YOU THINK IT IS ONE THING AND YOU CORRECTED IT TO ANOTHER THING WE TYPICALLY SAY THE PROCESS WILL BEGIN IN 30 DAYS OF WHEN THEY GET THE LETTER AND THEN WE SEND ANOTHER LETTER THAT SAYS IT WAS COMPLETED. NO ONE IS CONFUSED ABOUT THE EMERGENCY SERVICES. IN THIS CASE WE WOULD NOT LIKELY CHANGE THE NUMBER OF THE HOUSE, JUST THE NAME OF

THE ROAD. >> AND PROBABLY WE WOULD GIVE THEM TIME BEFORE WE REALLY DOCUMENT THIS AS THIS IS THE NEW NAME. LIKE IF WE VOTED ON IT TODAY AND THEN GIVE THEM SIX MONTHS, DO WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO

THAT? >> IT WOULD LET US START WORKING IT AND THEN HAVE A DATE IT GOES INTO EFFECT 60 TO 90 DAYS WOULD BE A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME TO GET THIS DONE AND

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THROUGH THE CHANNELS. >> I KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES WE DEALT WITH. IT WORKED OUT WELL.

IT IS REALLY THE NAME. M-A-M-M-Y, IT IS MAMMY AND THAT'S A SLAVE NAME. SOME ARE FOR IT AND SOME ARE AGAINST IT. SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T GROW UP IN THAT AREA AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT REALLY MEANS.

TO SOME IT IS -- AS THE SPEAKER SAID, IT IS A SENSITIVE WORD. AND MAMMY WAS LIKE -- I DON'T NEED TO DESCRIBE IT. I DON'T NEED -- I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON SMITH.

COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT. >> THANK YOU.

WE TALK ABOUT LOOKING OUT FOR CONSTITUENTS AND WE TALK A LOT ABOUT PEOPLE OVER POLITICS. WE TALK A LOT ABOUT REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE HERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.

INDIVIDUALS IN THAT COMMUNITY, MINORITIES INCLUDED, THEY DO NOT WANT TO CHANGE IT. I HAVE THE NAMES HERE IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT. I HAVE THEIR INFORMATION IF YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM A CALL. PLEASE, CONSIDER VOTING THIS DOWN. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS REGARDING RESOLUTION 53? SATISFY -- SEEING NONE, ORDINANCE 73 OF IT 2020-21 FIRST READING AMENDING THE OFFICIAL CODE RELATIVE TO MEMBERSHIP OF STANDING COMMITTEES.

COUNCIL PERSON ALLEN, YOU ARE THE SPANS -- YOU ARE THE

SPONSOR. >> MAYOR, I REQUEST THAT BEFORE WE GO INTO NEW BUSINESS CAN WE GET A BREAK?

>> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL TAKE A 10-MINUTE BREAK.

WE WILL RECONVENE AT

>>> RECOMMENDING -- THANK YOU FOR ASKING FOR OR RECOMMENDING

[10) NEW BUSINESS]

ARE YOU THE SPONSOR. >> I PUT THIS ON HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN ON THE COUNCIL SINCE JANUARY AND THERE ARE TWO COMMITTEES AND IT WAS THE FINANCE COMMITTEE AND ALSO THE CLARKSVILLE GAS AND WATER COMMITTEE AND SO I PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE ON THESE COMMITTEES THERE NEEDS TO BE AN EQUAL REPRESENTATION ON ALL OF THE COMMITTEES VERSUS A COUPLE. I SPOKE TO THE MAYOR ABOUT IT AND HIGH -- AND HE HAD HIS REASONS FOR IT.

I GOT A LOT OF LETTERS FROM CONSTITUENTS.

I KNOW IT WAS RECENTLY CHANGED , BUT SO THIS WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN I AM GOING FORWARD WITH THE AMENDMENT TO MAKE THE NUMBER FOR EACH OF THE STANDING COMMITTEES.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL PERSON SMITH.

YOU ARE RECOGNIZED ON THIS ORDINANCE.

>> AS THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER SAYS SHE IS SPEAKING ON 205 -- SECTION 1205 IN THE CITY CODES.

AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT

AMENDMENT. >> ARE YOU GOING TO OFFER THAT

NEXT WEEK? >> I GUESS I CAN OFFER THAT NEXT WEEK. YEAH.

I WILL. >> IF YOU WANT TO DISTRIBUTE

THAT THROUGH THE CLERK. >> OKAY.

>> FOR NEXT WEEK YOU ARE WELCOME TO DO THAT.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT. SO WE HAVE TIME TO READ IT.

>> COUNCIL PERSON EVANS? >> YES.

I WANT TO THANK THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER FOR OFFERING THIS UP AND MAKING OUR COMMITTEES FOR EQUITABLE AND YOUNGER.

>> THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE ON ORDINANCE 73? THANK YOU. WE ARE NOW READY FOR ITEM 2, ORDINANCE 74, AMEND -- AMENDING THE FISCAL YEAR 21 TO SUPPORT THE JUNETEENTH HOLIDAY.

COUNCIL PERSON ALLEN YOU ARE RECOGNIZED AS A SPONSOR.

>> I SPOKE WITH MS. MATER AND SHE CAME UP WITH THE ORDINANCE. IF YOU COULD SPEAK ON THIS

FIRST, PLEASE. >> MS. MATA, IF YOU WOULD APPROACH PLEASE. IT IS M-A-T-T-A.

>> WHEN THIS CAME UP, I WHAT -- I WAS ASKED TO SEE HOW MUCH THIS WOULD COST US. SOMEBODY SAID WE DO A WHOLE YEAR'S SALARY, BUT BECAUSE WE ARE A 24/7 OPERATION THERE ARE ADDITIONAL COSTS. BUT BECAUSE THEY ARE SO CLEANLY STAFFED IN ORDER TO COVER THE SHIFTS AND TO BE THIS HOLIDAY PEOPLE HAVE TO GET DIALYSIS AND THEY KNEW THEY NEEDED IT ALL THE TIME. THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE HAS THE

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POLICE AND FIRE, JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO COVER THE SHIFTS AND THEY NEVER KNOW -- THERE IS A LOT OF TURNOVER ESPECIALLY IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SO YOU ARE NOT SURE OF THE STAFFING.

YOU HAVE TO COVER IT. WE WANT TO GIVE ENOUGH MONEY TO COVER THOSE SHIFTS. IT IS NOT IN STONE.

IT IS OUR BEST ESTIMATE OF ADDITIONAL HOURS THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO COVER THAT. SAME THING WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. I KNOW THEY WERE NOT FULLY STAFFED. I THINK I SIGNED FELT LIKE ABOUT 30 NEW ONES. I'M SURE THEY ARE NOT FULLY TRAINED EITHER. THAT'S HOW WE CAME TO IT.

I REACHED OUT TO THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS.

BOTH OF THEM SAID -- BECAUSE THEIR BUDGETS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE CITY GENERAL'S.

THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT BUDGET IS YOU CAN'T GO OVER BY DEPARTMENT. BECAUSE THEY ARE A DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY IT IS $2 MILLION WHEREAS THE CITY MIGHT HAVE A $300 MILLION BUDGET. THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD ABSORB THE ADDITIONAL OVER TIME COST THEY WOULD INCUR IN THEIR CURRENT BUDGET. THEY DIDN'T SEE THAT AS AN ISSUE FOR THEM THIS YEAR, BUT THEY WILL BUDGET FOR IT NEXT

YEAR. >> COUNCIL PERSON ALLEN?

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF MS. MATTA? COUNCIL PERSON STREETMAN WAS THIS A QUESTION FOR MS. MATTA? COUNCIL PERSON STREET MAP, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> THE 153,000, IS THAT NOT THE ACTUAL -- IT IS NOT THE COST OF WHAT IT IS, BUT IT IS WHAT THE DEPARTMENT THAT'S WON'T BE ABSORBING IT INTO WHAT THEY ALREADY HAVE, BUT SPECIFIC TO WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED.

THE FINANCE COMMITTEE VOTED ON IT ON COUNCIL ACTION AND WE VOTED TO POSTPONE THIS UNTIL AFTER WE SAW WHETHER OR NOT THIS WOULD GO THROUGH -- THE HOLIDAY WOULD GO THROUGH.

THERE WASN'T A NEED TO ADJUST THE DEPARTMENTS AND WE SAW WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD MAKE IT THROUGH THE SECOND READING. AND WE DID APPRECIATE MS. MAT -- MS. MATTA PRESENTING IT TO US.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON STREETMAN.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE? SIGH -- SEEING NONE WE ARE READY FOR ITEM THREE --

>> IT DOESN'T GO BACK TO ME? >> YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> THE 153,000 I UNDERSTAND WAS AN ESTIMATE AND I AGREE IT -- I UNDERSTAND IT WAS POSTPONED.

THIS HAS TO BE APPROVED TWICE.

WE WANT IT TO BE READY TO GO BY JUNE.

WE WANT -- BY JUNE 19TH. IF EVERYTHING DOES PASS IT, IT IS EITHER GOING TO PASS OR NOT RIGHT BEFORE THIS NEW BUSINESS IS STATED. THE 153,000 IS A LOT OF MONEY. IT IS NOT A LOT TO GIVE BACK TO OUR POPULATION. WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT JUNETEENTH, WE ARE KNOT -- NOT JUST LOOKING AT THE FACT THAT BLACK PEOPLE WERE FREED FROM BEING SLAVES.

WE ARE LOOKING AT THE FACT THAT THIS NATION SAID THAT NO ONE COULD BE ENSLAVED. THAT IS VERY RELEVANT TODAY.

WE HAVE HUMAN TRAFFICKERS THAT ARE ILLEGAL BECAUSE OUR NATION DECIDED THAT WE WOULD NOT BE SLAVES.

SO THAT'S WHY I WANT THIS FUNDING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT GOES THROUGH. NOBODY CAN BE ANYBODY'S SLAVE. WE CANNOT LOOK AT THIS AS JUST A BLACK HOLIDAY. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CELEBRATION THAT SLAVERY IS WRONG, 100%.

A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY IT IS JUST FOR BLACK PEOPLE.

NO. NO MAN CAN OWN A WOMAN.

NO PERSON CAN OWN ANOTHER PERSON IN OUR NATION.

THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. LET ME MAKE THAT VERY, VERY CLEAR. AND AS FOR THE 153,000, WE SPENT THAT EVERY DAY LAST WEEK FOR SNOW DAYS.

EVERY SINGLE DAY LAST WEEK. DID ANYBODY COMPLAIN ABOUT IT? NO.

SO $153,000 WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SPEND THAT TO CELEBRATE SOMETHING THAT MEANS A LOT TO OUR NATION AND NOT JUST BLACK PEOPLE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON ALLEN.

ANYTHING ELSE ON ORDINANCE 74? SEEING NONE AND HEARING NONE WE ARE ON TO ORDINANCE 78 AND ITEM NUMBER 3 AND -- AMENDING THE FISCAL YEAR BUDGET FOR GOVERNMENT FUNDS TO CREATE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT FOR

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COUNCIL PERSON GARRETT. >> THANK YOU TO ALL THOSE WHO WERE INVOLVED IN PUTTING TOGETHER TRAFFIC OF 2020.

I AM GRATEFUL OF ALL OF THE WORK THAT WENT INTO IDENTIFYING THE ROADS AND THE PROJECTS THAT ARE NEAR AND DEAR TO THE COMMUNITY. ONE SUCH PROJECT IS A TIER2 PLAN. I CAN SEE THE GROWTH THAT IS HAPPENING IN THE AREA. THERE ARE SOME OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE WILL DEFINITELY MAKE IT A PRIORITY TO ADDRESS THE INFRASTRUCTURE SO THAT AS WE DEVELOP IN THAT AREA, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T CAUSE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC TO THE RESIDENTS IT IS TAKING HAZEL WOOD ROAD AND PROVIDING MUCH-NEEDED WIDENING WE ARE INVESTING IN THE ROUNDABOUT AREA AND WHILE WE ARE IN THERE WE MIGHT AS WELL GET THE WHOLE THING DONE. THERE IS THE HAZEL WOOD PHASE.

WE ARE WIDENING THAT THREE LANES WITH THE SIDEWALKS.

THAT COMES OUT IN 27.5 MILLION. PHASE ONE IS FROM BOY SCOUT ROAD AND THAT IS 6 TEEN MILLION.

16MILLION AND THEN IT IS BOY SCOUT ROAD TO TRENTON ROAD.

ALTOGETHER IT IS 99.9 MILLION.

IT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING NECESSARILY THAT WE WERE SAYING WE WOULD PAY FOR RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT NOW.

IT IS DONE IN PHASES. WE CAN PROVIDE AN INFORMATION ON HOW THE BONDS WORK AND THE FINANCING OF THOSE PARTICULAR PROJECTS. SHE UNRAVELED SOME OF THOSE PIECES TOO. IT IS NEEDED.

IT IS ONE OF THE ITEM THAT'S OUR CONSTITUENTS ARE ON US ABOUT AS FAR AS IMPROVING OUR ROADS AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

I AM JUST ASKING WE TAKE A SERIOUS LOOK AT PRIORITIZING SOMETHING WE HEAR SO MUCH ABOUT GETTING DONE.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON GARRETT. I THINK WE JUST ROLLED OUT THE TRANSPORTATION OF WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE 2020 PLAN, 2020 PLUS, AS YOU SAID. IN THAT WE TALK ABOUT A DRAFT TO SEEK OUT INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC, BUT ALSO TO GIVE YOU ALL A CHANCE TO ABSORB IT. AND THEN WE WOULD COME BACK.

WHEN WE PUT THE DRAFT TOGETHER. YOU ARE RIGHT.

NEEDMORE WAS IN PHASE TWO. THERE ARE PROBABLY TWO OR THREE PROJECTS THAT OUGHT TO BE MOVED BACK UP.

I AM CONCERNED ABOUT ADDING DEBT TO OUR BALANCE SHEET.

THESE THINGS TAKE A LOT OF TIME.

IT IS IDENTIFYING THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WOULD NEED TO ACQUIRE. THERE ARE A THOUSAND STEPS AND I AM WAY OUTSIDE OF MY PAY GRADE TALKING ABOUT IT.

THESE ARE THE PROJECTS WE ARE GOING TO DO AND THIS IS HOW I AM GOING TO PAY FOR IT. I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER THAT'S ARE CRITICALLY NEEDED THAT WE HAVE TO GET DONE.

I JUST WANT US TO DO THAT IN AN ORDERLY FASHION.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL PERSON STREETMAN?

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. APPRECIATE IT.

I WOULD REITERATE SOME OF THE THINGS YOU SAID.

WE RECOGNIZE THAT OUR CONSTITUENTS WANT US TO HAVE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. I THINK THAT'S TRUE ACROSS ALL 12 WARDS. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT FOR US TO COME HERE AND SAY WE WANT TO MOVE EVERY SINGLE ONE TO THE TOP. THAT WAS THE REASON THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN TOOK THE TIME IT TOOK AND FOR EVERYTHING TO BE LOOKED AT AND DECIDED WHAT TO DO.

IT IS FLUID AND THERE WILL BE CHANGED -- CHANGES MADE TO THAT. WE HAVEN'T GIVEN EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THEIR INPUT ON IT YET.

THE CONCERN FOR ME IS THE FUNDING WE PROVIDED THROUGH THE DEBT ISSUANCE IN THE AMOUNT OF 99.5 MILLION, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO ASK MS. MATA TO COME UP AND GIVE US

HER THOUGHTS ON IT. >> SO SHE COULD TALK ABOUT THE DEBT ISSUANCE OF THE 99 .5 MILLION.

>> IF YOU COULD. >> SO, OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE

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SO 99.5 DOUBLED. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL PERSON STREETMAN, DID YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL

QUESTIONS? >> NO.

I THINK THAT ANSWERED IT RIGHT THERE FOR ME.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> I ECHO WHAT WAS SAID BY PREVIOUS SPEAKERS.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ASK AS A TEAM AND AS A -- AS MEMBERS OF A TEAM, WE ALREADY HAVE A PLAN ON BOARD TO TALK ABOUT AND WORK THROUGH AS A GROUP. EVEN THOUGH -- EVEN THOUGH THIS IS IN MUCH OF MY DISTRICT AND MUCH APPRECIATED I WANTED

MORE, BUT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE -- >> SAW WHAT YOU DID THERE.

>> I FEEL LIKE THIS IS NOT IN THE SENSE OF A TEAM PLAYER, TEAM ORDINANCE. IT IS LIKE I GO FIRST AND SO I WIN. SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO PUSH IT BACK INTO WHAT WE ARE ALREADY WORKING ON AS A GROUP.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS.

COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I AGREE WITH -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY ANY NAMES. WE ARE NOT DOING THE NAMING THING. BUT THE SPONSOR OF THE PARTICULAR ORDINANCE AND THE FACT THAT IT KIND OF COVERS PART OF MY DISTRICT AND MY WARD, AND I WANT TO SAY THAT I

SUPPORT IT. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS ORDINANCE? COUNCIL PERSON GARRETT, DO YOU

HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? >> I WILL RESERVE MY COMMENTS

FOR VOTING SESSION. >> OKAY.

COUNCIL PERSON ALLEN, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT BOTH OF THESE ROADS ARE LIKE RIGHT -- THEY ARE PART OF A SQUARE OF MY WARD.

COUNCIL PERSON BUTLER. >> I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW YOU PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME, MS. MATTA.

MATTA? WE HAVE ALL SAID IT DIFFERENTLY, SO I WANTED TO -- THANK YOU.

>> WE ARE NOW READY FOR ITEM 4 WHICH IS ORDINANCE 79-2020-21 AMENDING THE FISCAL YEAR 21 OPERATING BUDGET FOR GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS TO TRANSFER FUNDS FROM THE ATHLETIC COMPLEX CAPITAL PROJECT TO -- TO THE REGIONAL COMMUNITY CENTER. COUNCIL PERSON GARRETT IS THE

SPONSOR. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I WILL BE BRIEF. I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF AGENDA AND SAVE A LOT OF REMARKS FOR NEXT WEEK.

ESSENTIALLY THE GOAL OF THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE IS TO LOOK AT THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS.

KIDS PARTICIPATE IN SOCCER AND LACROSSE AND WE KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF DATA AND COMMUNITY INPUT THAT SHOWS THERE IS A LOT OF DEMAND FOR A LARGER AND MORE MODERN INCLUSIVE RECREATIONAL CENTER ESPECIALLY IN THE NORTHERN PARTS OF THE AREA. WE HAVE A PRIET -- A PRIME OPPORTUNITY WITH A DEVELOPER THAT IS INCREASING FROM 10-ACRES TO 20-ACRES. IT WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE TYPE OF FACILITY THAT THE INDOOR FACILITY THAT WOULD CATER TO THE MULTIPLE TYPES OF SPORTS AND ACTIVITIES AND ONE OF THE THINGS ON MY WISH LIST WOULD BE LIKE AN INDOOR ADAPTIVE TYPE OF PARK FOR THOSE WITH SPECIAL NEEDS TO HAVE A PLACE WHERE THEY ARE NOT LIMITED TO ONLY -- YOU KNOW, THEY ARE SOME INCLUSIVE OUTDOOR PARKS. DURING THE WINTER TIME OR INCLEMENT WEATHER, HAVING AN INDOOR SPACE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO SPOACIAL -- SOCIALIZE AND INTERACT WOULD BE AMAZING FOR US TO HAVE. WITH THE ADDITIONAL 10-ACRES OF LAND THAT THE DEVELOPER IS WILLING TO -- YOU KNOW, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY THERE. I AM NOT AN EXPERT AT SOCCER AND DIFFERENT OUTDOOR SPORTS, BUT FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF ACREAGE, WE COULD DO

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I HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY SOCCER ASSOCIATION TO GET THEIR THOUGHTS ON IT.

THEY WERE PERFECTLY FINE WITH THE CONCEPT TO HAVE FOUR ADDITIONAL FIELDS TO HELP THEM DURING THE PEAK SEASON AND TO ENSURE THE YOUTH HAVE A PLACE TO PLAY IN THE TOURNAMENT.

I LOOK AT IT AS AB OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A WIN-WIN WITH THE COMMUNITY AND TAKING CARE OF THE INDOOR SPORTS AND WRESTLING. I FEEL LIKE THE COMMUNITY SHOULD NOT BE LEFT BEHIND BY HOPKINSVILLE.

WE SHOULD DEFINITELY PROVIDE BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO. I LOOK AT THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR CONSTITUANTS.

THIS IS NOT CREATING NEW DEBT.

IT IS SHIFTING 14 MILLION THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN PREVIOUSLY ALLOCATED FROM ONE PROJECT TO ANOTHER.

THAT'S ALL I GOT, MAYOR. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON GARRETT. I KNOW THAT YOU ARE VERY SINCERE ABOUT YOUR PASSION FOR A NORTH CLARKSVILLE RECREATION CENTER. IF WE DO THIS, IT WILL STOP THE DEVELOPMENT OF 11 FIELDS AT EXIT 8 DEAD IN ITS TRACKS.

WE SPENT MILLIONS IN SITE DESIGN AND ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN ON THOSE FIELDS AND ON THE AMENITIES TO SERVICE THAT FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE BACKGROUND.

THE CITY PURCHASED 300-ACRES THERE OFF ROSS VIEW ROAD AT EXIT 8 FOR THE PURPOSE TO ENTICE THE SOCCER ASSOCIATION TO PLAY ITS TOURNAMENTS AND MANY OF THE GAMES THEY HAVE TO GENERATE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

WHEN THEY CHOSE MURRAYS -- MURPHYSBORO OVER US WE HAD 300-ACRES AND WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH IT.

YOU MENTIONED THERE IS ONE, BUT THERE ARE TWO OR THREE WHERE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN AND ADULTS PLAY SOCCER. WE INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY IN THE DESIGN. THEY NEED ANOTHER SITE FOR A SUBSTATION TO SERVE THAT GROWING PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.

THEY ARE PROPOSING TO PURCHASE UP TO THREE ACRE SITE ON THE CORNER AND THEY FINALLY GAVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND THEIR FOOT PRINT AND SO THEY SOUGHT OUT A COMPANY TO DO JUST THAT BY BUILDING A SOLAR FARM.

IT IS CALLED SILICON RANCH AND THEY HAVE A LETTER OF INTENT AND THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A SITE AND OFFERED UP WHAT I CALL -- FORGIVE ME FOR CALLING IT THIS, BUT IT IS A BILLY GOAT BLUFF. IT IS PART OF THE SITE.

IT IS SLOPED TOWARD THE RIVER AND IT WAS GOING TO ACCESS A TRAIL AND THEY COULD PUT A SOLAR FARM THERE.

THEY WOULD PURCHASE THE PROPERTY FROM US.

THE INTENT WAS TO USE THE PROCEEDS SUBJECT TO COUNCIL APPROVAL TO BUILD AN ACCESSIBLE PLAYGROUND FOR SPECIAL NEEDS CHILDREN AND ADULTS.

THERE ARE PLANS FOR THAT. WHEN I FIRST CAME INTO THE OFFICE, THE CONNELLS WHO SOLD THE CITY THE PROPERTY BACK IN 2018, I BELIEVE, THEIR DESIRE IS TO SEE IT BUILT AS A PARK AND AS A PLAYGROUND AREA AND WITH ATHLETIC FIELDS AND YOUTH. THERE ARE NO STRINGS THAT SAY IT HAS TO HAPPEN THAT WAY. HE STOPS HIM DEAD IN THE

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ALL OF THAT IS SUBJECT TO BUDGET.

I WOULD HATE TO SEE US LEAVE TOWN AND LEAVE A MILLION DOLLARS ON THE TABLE AND MOVE ACROSS -- ACROSS TOWN WHEN WE CAN PROBABLY AND MOST LIKELY WILL DO BOTH.

THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS ON THAT.

COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> YES. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT ONCE AGAIN I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED BY THIS ORDINANCE OF HOW WE DO BUSINESS IN THE CITY COUNCIL. I REACHED OUT TO THE DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND REC BECAUSE I AM A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE.

AND I ASKED HER DID I MISS SOMETHING? WHY WAS THIS NOT BROUGHT TO HER AND THE COMMITTEE BEFORE THE ORDINANCE WAS PROPOSED. AND SHE MADE IT CLEAR THAT SHE AND THE PARKS AND REC, THEY WERE NOT EVEN SPOKEN WITH BEFORE THE ORDINANCE WAS PUT IN AND IT WAS A SURPRISE TO HER. ONE THING I DIDN'T MENTION, MAYOR, AND MAYBE I MISSED IT WHEN YOU WERE SPEAKING, BUT SHE WROTE THAT THE CITY IS OBLIGATED TO BUILD A ROAD TO THE ATHLETIC COMPLEX TO FULFILL WHAT A PREVIOUS CITY COUNCIL AGREED. THE OPINION OF PROBABLE CAUSE FOR DISREPAIR BY ASSOCIATES IS $6.3 MILLION FOR THE ROADWAY EXTENSION THAT WE HAVE ALREADY AGREED TO BUILD.

DID YOU MENTION THAT? I'M SORRY, SIR.

>> NO, I DID NOT MENTION THAT.

>> WE ARE VERY MUCH MORE INTO THIS PROJECT THAN EXPRESSED.

AND I JUST THINK THAT IT SHOULD GO TO THE PARKS AND REC COMMITTEE FIRST FOR DISCUSSION.

AND THE DIRECTOR SHOULD HAVE A SAY BEFORE IT IS BROUGHT TO

THE COUNCIL. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS. COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT, YOU ARE

RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

BEING THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER AND THE CITY COUNCILMAN FOR THE NORTH PARTS OF CLARKSVILLE, I WANT TO SAY THAT THAT AREA HAS BEEN NEGLECTED FOR QUITE SOME TIME. I WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE SOMETHING DONE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER IN REGARDS TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER. EVERYBODY KNOWS I HAVE SEVEN KIDS. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO TAKE MY SEVEN KIDS TO GET SOMETHING DONE OR HAVE FUN WITHIN MY AREA. BEING THE REPRESENTATIVE OF MY AREA, NORTH SIDE OF CLARKSVILLE, I WOULD HAVE TO

SUPPORT THIS. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT. COUNCIL PERSON ALLEN, YOU ARE

RECOGNIZED. >> MAYOR, MY QUESTION IS, YOU MENTIONED THAT WE -- THE ONLY REASON I AM TALKING ABOUT THIS IS BECAUSE YOU BROUGHT IT UP. YOU MENTIONED THAT WE SECURED AN AREA AND WE ARE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING.

WHAT IS THE TIMELINE LOOKING LIKE FOR NORTH CLARKSVILLE COMMUNITY CENTER? THAT'S WHAT MY WARD TALKS TO ME ABOUT ON A REGULAR BASIS. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO BRING BACK TO THEM SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THE TIMELINE IS LOOKING LIKE? ARE THESE PROJECTS SOMETHING THAT CAN HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME?

>> I TO BORROW A LINE FROM MR. NEWBURN, UNDER PROMISE AND OVERDELIVER, I HESITATE TO GIVE UH TIME, BUT CREATING A NORTH CLARKSVILLE RECREATION CENTER AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT IS THERE. DO WE WANT TO REPLICATE WHAT HOPKINSVILLE HAS? PROBABLY NOT.

WE WANT TO IMPROVE ON IT. IT IS A STEP BY STEP PROCESS.

WE BUDGETED THE MONEY TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY.

WE WENT TO THE PUBLIC AND SAID THEY QUALIFIED.

IT IS A GOOD SIGHT AND WE HAVE DONE AN APPRAISAL AND A SURVEY. IT IS A MATTER OF SEEKING INPUT AND HIRING A DESIGN FIRM TO DESIGN IT BE IT A BUILDING OR BE IT BUILDING AND FIELDS AND WHATEVER.

I AM HESITANT TO GIVE YOU A SPEC PHYSICAL DATE.

WE WILL DO ALL WE CAN TO GET IT MOVING.

>> WE TALKED -- ARE WE HITTING THE GROUND RUNNING IN LIKE A

YEAR? >> HIT THE GROUND RUNNING?

>> I KNOW WE DID THE MONEY AND ALL OF THE OTHER STUFF.

I KNOW THERE WAS A PAUSE -- THERE WAS AN APPRAISAL AND THEN THERE IS A SPACE THAT NOTHING HAS HAPPENED AND

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THEY SAID WE GOT THE MONEY. >> WE APPROPRIATED THE MONEY AND WE DID THE SURVEY TO SURVEY THE GROUND FIRST.

THE SURVEY HAS BEEN COMPLETED.

NOW THE REASON IT IS SLOWING DOWN IS BECAUSE NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 20-ACRES VERSUS 10.

AND WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO A SURVEY AND AN APPRAISAL.

THAT'S THE STEPS IN THE PROCESS.

THAT'S WHAT IS SLOWING THEM DOWN.

>> WE ARE NOT ALL PRIVILEGED TO THE INFORMATION.

WE HAVE NEVER BEEN BRIEFED ON ANY OF THAT.

>> I WILL BRING IT TO YOU THROUGH THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMITTEE ONCE WE HAVE SOMETHING FIRM AND THEN ON THE SIDE WE WILL SAY, YEAH, WE LIKE THAT OR NO WE DON'T

AND THROW IT OUT. >> COUNCIL PERSON BUTLER, YOU

ARE RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

BASICALLY I AM ASKING -- BASICALLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING -- I HEARD ABOUT THIS OTHER ONE THREE YEARS AGO WORKING AT PANERA BREAD WITH A CONSTITUENT OF YOURS.

IS WHAT YOU ARE ASKING IS FOR US TO PRIORITIZE THIS FIRST?

IS THAT THE GIST OF THIS? >> IS THAT A QUESTION TO THE

SPONSOR? >> YES, TO THE SPONSOR.

>> AT THIS TIME I GUESS YOU CAN SAY THAT.

I HAD SEVERAL THINGS I WOULD BE PRESENTING WITH REFERENCE TO THAT PARTICULAR SITE. I BECAME MADE AWARE OF THE RANCH THAT WAS INTERESTED IN PURCHASING 142 ACRE THAT'S WE MCH -- WE PURCHASED. INITIALLY MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT WAS GIVEN THE LOCATION OF THE PARTICULAR SITE IT IS PRETTY MUCH PRIM -- PREMIUM REAL ESTATE.

I THINK WE ARE UNDERSELLING OURSELVES TO UTILIZE IT FOR SOCCER FIELDS AND A PARK WHEN WE COULD POTENTIALLY SELL IT TO AN OUTLET MALL WHERE AT THE GOING RATE OF WHAT LAND IS SELLING FOR, JUST SPEAKING WITH MEMBERS OF THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT BOARD, THE ESTIMATES CAME BACK.

WITH THE 158 ACRES WE WOULD HAVE LEFT AFTER SELLING TO THE SILICON RANCH WE ARE LOOKING AT 4.7 SOMETHING MILLION AND CHANGE. WE PURCHASED THE WHOLE THING FOR 4 MILLION. IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FIGURES ARE SPECIFICALLY, BUT THAT'S PART OF WHAT I WANT TO DO IS DOING MORE DILIGENCE. CERTAINLY IF WE COULD OFFSET THE COSTS AND BRINGING AN UP FRONT SALE OF THE PROPERTY AND WE CAN GENERATE SOME PROPERTY TAX SALES RECEIVE FEW -- REVENUE AND IF WE GET A NICE RESTAURANT AND IF WE GET A NIKE OUTLET OR A COACH -- I AM NOT A BIG SHOPPER.

I SAY THAT AND MY WIFE GETS EXCITED.

I HEAR HER COMMENTS ABOUT HOW THEY HAVE TO GO OUT TO LEBANON OR GATLINBURG AND IT IS OH WE HAVE TO STOP BY THE OUTLET.

I IMAGINE IF THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO CAN APPRECIATE HAVING A RESOURCE LIKE THAT TO WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO SPEND THEIR MONEY OUTSIDE OF THE AREA.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE HAPPEN.

WE COULD GET A GOOD RETURN ON OUR INVESTMENT FOR THAT PROPERTY AND THEN UTILIZE THE FUNDS AND IT WILL GO TO THE GENERAL FUND TO OFFSET SOME OF THE DEBT SERVICE FROM BUILDING THE RECREATION CENTER WITH THE FIELDS TO ACCOMMODATE THE

SOCCER, FOOTBALL AND LACROSSE. >> I DIDN'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

I AM THINKING OF THE PERSPECTIVE -- TO ECHO EVERYBODY ELSE, NORTH CLARKSVILLE NEEDS SOME LOVE.

AND WHAT WAS SAID BY A PREVIOUS SPEAKER, DOING THIS WOULD ACCOMMODATE MORE FOR THE TIME BEING.

I THINK WE SHOULD ALL THINK ON THAT.

THE SECOND THING THAT I HAVE WAS I AM HEARING A LOT OF, WELL, THIS NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THIS COMMITTEE OR THAT

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THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL PERSON LITTLE, YOU

ARE RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

>> I DO SEE A PERTINENT NEED IN THIS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. I KNOW ON THE NORTH SIDE OF CLARKSVILLE WE HAD TO CLEAN THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

THAT SEES MORE TRAFFIC AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER. I BELIEVE IT IS SOMEWHERE AROUND 40,000 COMPARED TO AROUND 8,000, 10,000.

THAT'S BEING HEAVILY OVER -- OVERLOADED WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WANTING TO DO THINGS. THE CHILDREN WANTING TO GO OUT AND HAVE FUN. I FEEL LIKE THAT IS SOMETHING NEEDED SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

>> COUNCIL PERSON RICHMOND, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> I AM STARTING TO TRACK. I DID HAVE SOME INITIAL CONCERNS. I FELT INTIMIDATED BY THIS PROJECT. I FELT IT HAPPENED PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS AGO. AS I AM LEARNING ABOUT THE INFORMATION, MAYOR, CAN YOU ANSWER -- IF I AM FOLLOWING IT -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE I AM TRACKING IT, BUT IT IS LIKE A TWO-FER? I THINK IT IS MORE LIKE EXPAND ON OUR PURCHASE AND SELL SOME OF THE PROPERTY AND THEN WE GET A PROFIT ON THAT PROPERTY AND THAT PUTS IT BACK IN THE TAX BASE OR THE BUDGET BOOKS? I AM JUST MAKING SURE I AM TRACKING FROM AN ECONOMIC PERSPECTIVE.

AND THEN THE QUESTION I HAVE, MAYOR, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN ABOUT WE HAVE PUT MONEY ON THE TABLE AND WE STARTED THE BULLDOZERS. HOW WOULD THAT IMPACT US? WOULD WE LOSE THE MILLION? CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND

THAT? >> FIRST THING'S FIRST.

WHAT WE REALIZE FROM THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE A NET. WE HAVE ALREADY SPENT MONEY.

WE HAVE INVESTED AND DESIGNED IN OTHER SOFT COSTS.

TO SPECULATE WHAT WE COULD PURCHASE OTHER PROPERTY FOR, WE DO KNOW THAT THERE IS PROPERTY OFFERED FOR THE NORTH CLARKSVILLE CENTER. WE WOULD KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

WE WOULDN'T RECOVER THE NEARLY MILLION DOLLARS WE ALREADY SPENT. WE HAVE ALREADY SPENT IT FOR THAT SITE. IT IS NOT LIKE WE CAN PICK IT UP AND MOVE IT. WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS TO STOP THE PROJECT WHERE WE ARE.

AND THEN THAT PUTS US A COUPLE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE WE HAD TO GO THROUGH A DESIGN WORK AGAIN AND MAKING SURE THAT -- IT IS JUST GONNA TAKE TIME.

MORE TIME THAT I WANTED. I WAS HOPING WE WOULD START CONSTRUCTION BY NOW. THERE IS JUST A LOT OF MOVING PARTS TO SIMPLY MOVING MONEY HERE AND THERE.

THERE IS A LOT TO THE PROJECT.

I WOULD HATE TO SEE US STOP THIS PROJECT IN ITS TRACKS.

WE HAVE SO MUCH TO GIVE TO THE COMMUNITY.

THIS HAPPENS TO BE MORE READY THAN THE OTHER ONES.

I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE NORTH CLARKSVILLE CENTER.

>> AND SO IF I -- I DEFINITELY WANT TO DO SOME FOLLOW-UP TO PREPARE MYSELF. IT IS A LOT TO TRY TO VISUALIZE. IS THERE A PROJECT MANAGER I

WOULD SPEAK TO? >> WELL, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO TO JENNIFER LATERNO, WHO IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT. AND THEN OUR PROJECT MANAGE

ESH -- >> HILBORN?

>> AND THIS IS NOT TO SAY WE WILL CANCEL ONE PROJECT OVER

THE OTHER -- >> WE ARE CANCELING THE ROSS VIEW ROAD PROJECT. WE ARE TAKING THE MONEY WE WERE GOING TO USE THERE AND PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

IT WOULD STOP IT DEAD IN ITS TRACKS.

>> I GOTCHA. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL PERSON REDD, ARE YOU

RECOGNIZED. >> I HAVE HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTS FROM EARLY YES, SIR -- EARLIER, ONE OF THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS AND I AM SURPRISED TO HEAR THIS AND ONE SAID IT IS THE FIRST TIME I HEARD THIS AND NOW IT IS STOPPING THE ROSS VIEW ROAD PROJECT.

WE HAVE GOTTEN NEW INFORMATION FROM THE MAYOR THAT THE NORTH CLARKSVILLE CENTER IS GOING TO BE DONE.

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>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON REDD.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS REGARDING THIS ORDINANCE? SEEING NONE WE ARE NOW READY FOR ITEM 5 ORDINANCE 80, AMENDING THE OFFICIAL CODE RELATIVE TO THE INTERNAL SERVICE FUND.

COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT, YOU ARE THE SPONSOR.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WILL BE BRIEF ON THIS.

I WAS INSPIRED BY SOME OF THE RHETORIC IN REGARDS TO PUTTING TRUST BACK IN OUR COMMUNITY AND DEALING WITH THINGS EP -- EPICALLY. IN REGARDS TO LAWSUITS AND CLAIMS, I WANTED TO REMOVE THE APPEARANCE OF -- OR THE PERCEPTION OF IMPROPRIETY AND BRING BACK TRUST TO OUR CONSTITUENTS IN US AND OUR ABILITY TO DO OUR JOBS EQUITABLY AND ETHICALLY AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE

PARTICULAR ORDINANCE. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT. COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS, YOU

ARE RECOGNIZED. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I TAKE OFFENSE -- PERSONAL OFFENSE TO THIS.

ESPECIALLY IN THE PIECE WHERE YOU SAY EVEN IF WE DON'T ACCEPT ANYTHING. I WOULD REMIND YOU, PREVIOUS SPEAKER, THAT YOU ARE ENDORSED BY THE SIERRA CLUB, AND NOW -- AND NOW YOU ARE PRESENTING A MOTION THAT IS COMING UP NEXT. SO AS I READ. IT YOU WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. THIS IS NOT EQUITABLE AND IT IS SAYING THAT WE CANNOT IN GOOD FAITH EXERCISE OUR DUTIES. I DISAGREE WITH THIS.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS.

COUNCIL PERSON EVANS. >> I AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER AND SAY I AGREE WITH THIS.

I AM ALSO GOING TO TACK ON THE ASPECT OF CAMPAIGNING.

FOR PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF, IF I WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN DONATIONS FROM PEOPLE, I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PURCHASE ANY CAMPAIGN SUPPLIES. AND THEN THE -- I WILL JUST REFER TO THE LEADERSHIP PROJECT PACK.

I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY MONEY FROM THEM, ANY DIRECT DONATIONS. I DO ALSO TAKE OFFENSE TO THIS AND I FEEL LIKE IT WAS A DELIBERATE STAB.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON EVANS.

COUNCIL PERSON ALLEN, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> SO, WHAT I'M GONNA SAY IS -- I DON'T TAKE OFFENSE TO IT AT ALL BECAUSE SOMEBODY MIGHT -- THE LEADERSHIP MIGHT NOT ENDORSE ME. BUT THE MOST THEY DID WAS SEND OUT SOME BOOTHS. IF WE START NIT-PICKING -- IF WE START NIT-PICKING, OKAY WELL THIS PERSON DONATED TO THIS PERSON SO YOU CAN'T DO THIS.

NONE OF US ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO OUR JOBS.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS IS THAT IF YOU KNOW FOR SURE THAT YOU NEED TO BE ABSTAINING FROM A VOTE, YOU ABSTAIN.

PERIOD. IF WE SIT HERE AND WE THINK THAT ONLY -- THAT THERE ARE THREE MEMBERS THAT WERE ON THIS LEADERSHIP PACK AND WE HAVE A CASE WITH MR. ROBINSON COMING UP SOON, IF WE THINK THERE ARE ONLY THREE IN THIS COUNCIL WHO WEREEN -- WERE ENDORSED BY HIM, WE ARE WRONG. THERE WERE SEVERAL OTHERS.

I PULLED THE INFORMATION MYSELF.

EVERYBODY'S CAMPAIGN FINANCES.

SO IT IS NOT JUST THE THREE THAT ARE ON HERE.

THAT YOU THINK MAY HAVE HAVE ENDORSED SOMETHING.

HIS NAME IS NOWHERE ON MINE. HE SENT OUT SOME BOOTHS AND IF THAT IS CONSIDERED A SERVICE, REALLY, $25, 30 BOOTHS? TO ME THAT IS RIDICULOUS. ONCE IT COMES TO CAMPAIGNING, CAMPAIGNING IS DIFFERENT THAN THE JOB YOU ARE DOING RIGHT HERE. IT SHOULD NOT AFFECT THE FACT THAT WE ARE HERE TO DO A JOB IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH APPEARANCES. IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS WRONG I WOULD BE THE FIRST TO SAY. IT BUT THERE IS NOT.

COME PAINS GET DOUGH -- CAMPAIGNS GET DONATIONS,

PERIOD. >> COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT, YOU

ARE RECOGNIZED. >> I JUST WANT TO REMIND ONE OF THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS THAT THIS IS IN REGARDS TO LAWSUITS AND COMPLAINTS. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING ELSE. THIS IS NOT A DELIBERATE STAB AT ANYONE AS THERE ARE NO NAMES OR INDIVIDUALS PRESENTED

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YOU CON -- THANK YOU GUYS. >> THANK YOU.

COUNCIL PERSON, REDD? >> I TAKE DONATIONS, BUT I DO NOT TAKEN DORSE MENTS. I -- TAKE ENDORSEMENTS.

I TELL PEOPLE, DO NOT ENDORSE ME.

YOU CAN LOSE VOTES DEPENDING ON WHO ENDORSES YOU.

I THOUGHT TOO THAT THIS WAS -- I THOUGHT THIS HAD TO DO WITH PACT THAT HAD LAWSUITS AGAINST THE CITY, NOT EVERYONE.

JUST THE ONE THAT WOULD HAVE A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE COMMITTEE OR THE MEMBERS WOULD HAVE -- OR ONE OF THE MEMBERS OR SOMETHING HAD A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE COMMITTEE.

NOT ALL OF THEM. >> WAS THAT A QUESTION?

>> YEAH. I WAS LOOKING FOR IT AND I -- I READ IT AT HOME AND COULDN'T SEE IT HERE.

THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS IS JUST FOR THE

PACKET. >> MR. BAKER, DO YOU WANT TO

ANSWER THAT QUESTION? >> YES.

THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN, WHAT IT DOES IS IT PROHIBITS ANY CITY COUNCILMEMBER FROM VOTING ON ANY MOTION OR ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION IN WITH A CLAIM OR LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT BY AN INDIVIDUAL OR A BUSINESS OR AN ORGANIZATION OR ASSOCIATION THAT IS, THAT HAS MADE DONATIONS OF FUNDS OR MATERIALS OR ANY KIND OF DONATIONS TO THAT PARTICULAR --

>> JUST THAT PERSON -- >> YOU COUNCILMAN REDD, YOU GOT A CAMPAIGN DONATION FROM MR. X, Y, Z.

AND MR. X, Y, Z FILED A CLAIM OR LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY, OR HE ALREADY HAD ONE AT THE TIME YOU WERE ELECTED, THEN YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO VOTE ON A SETTLEMENT REGARDING THAT PARTICULAR LAWSUIT. FROM THAT PARTICULAR MR. X, Y,

Z. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. BAKER.

COUNCIL PERSON BUTLER, ARE YOU RECOGNIZED.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. >> FROM WHAT MR. BAKER JUST SAID, HIS EXPLANATION OF THIS, IT IS LAUGHABLE TO PRETEND IT IS KNOT -- IT IS NOT TARGETED AND PINPOINTED ON SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING NOW SINCE WE ALL GOT INTO OFFICE. EVERYONE SITTING HERE AROUND THIS SEMI-CIRCLE IS A DULY-ELECTED MEMBER.

IF WE START DOING THINGS LIKE THIS, WE ARE SILENCEING ENTIRE BOARDS OF CONSTITUENTS FROM HAVING A VOICE.

THE SPONSOR OF THIS PARTICULAR -- IS IT AN ORDINANCE OR A RESOLUTION? THE SPONSOR OF THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE HIMSELF PUSHED THE ETHICS TO COMMITTEE.

SO I JUST ASK CAN WE TAKE THIS SUBJECT INTO THAT COMMITTEE AND TAKE CARE OF IT THERE? WE HAVE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THE ETHICS SITUATION NEEDS TO BE REVISED.

I WOULD JUST SUGGEST WE DO IT THAT WAY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON.

COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

HANG ON JUST ONE SECOND. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

I WILL COME BACK TO YOU. COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT, DID YOU

WISH TO RESPOND TO THAT? >> YES, I WOULD.

I WOULD GLADLY TAKE IT TO COMMITTEE, AS A MATTER OF FACT. AS YOU STATED -- AS THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER STATED, THERE IS AN ISSUE, A DEFINITIVE ISSUE OF ETHICS. THERE IS A DAUPHIN -- A DO -- A DEFINITIVE LACK OF TRUST. WHETHER YOU WERE OFFENDED BY IT OR NOT, THERE IS A LACK. THEREFORE WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE RETURNING THAT PARTICULAR TRUST WITHIN OUR CONSTITUENTS.

SO I WILL GLADLY TAKE IT TO A COMMITTEE.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT.

AND NOW BACK TO COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS.

THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME INTERRUPT YOU.

>> YES. MR. BAKER, COULD YOU JUST -- I HEARD YOU SAY -- BELIEVE I HEARD YOU SAY THAT IT IS NOT JUST A PACT. IF SOMEONE GAVE ME $25 THREE YEARS AGO AND NOW I HAVE TO VOTE ON A LAWSUIT I WOULD HAVE TO ABSTAIN BECAUSE I GOT $25. IT IS NOT JUST A PARTICULAR -- THIS IS QUITE A SLIPPERY SLOPE THAT WOULD TURN INTO A WITCH

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AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY? >> IT IS A DONATION TO A PREVIOUS CAMPAIGN AND THE PERSON WHO -- GAVE YOU THE $25, THEY FILED A CLAIM OR A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY, OR MAYBE THEY ALREADY HAD ONE IMENS -- AGAINST THE CITY.

AND THEN A PROPOSAL CAME BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND YOU WOULD BE PROHIBITED FROM VOTING ON IT.

>> WE WOULD HAVE TO KNOW -- I MEAN, WE HAVE ALL TAKEN DONATIONS. THIS IS AGAIN JUST A PERSONAL ATTACK ASSUMING THAT I CAN NOT AS A PERSON, AND I AM NOT ETHICAL AND CANNOT MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THE FACTS.

I STILL THINK IT IS PERSONAL. >> COUNCIL PERSON EVANS, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR THE SECOND TIME.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY HERE THAT IN REGARDS TO PACTS, I KNOW THAT THIS HAS BEEN A SUBJECT THAT HAS COME UP A LOT.

IT IS PETTER -- PERTINENT TO THE SITUATION.

PACTS CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.

YOU CAN'T JUST NOT ACCEPT A DONATION.

IF SOMEONE WANTS TO PUT UP A SIGN ABOUT YOU OR SEND OUT CAMPAIGN LITERATURE AGAINST YOUR OPPONENT IN YOUR FAVOR, YOU CAN'T STOP THEM. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT

COMMENT. >> THANK YOU.

MR. BAKER? >> THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT.

AND THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN, IT WOULD NOT PROHIBIT YOU FROM VOTING IF A FACT -- IF A PACT DID NOT DIRECT THE MONEY TO

YOUR CAMPAIGN DIRECTLY. >> COUNCIL PERSON ALLEN, YOU

ARE RECOGNIZED. >> SO IT SAYS HAVE PREVIOUSLY ACCEPTED WITH OR WITHOUT A COUNCILMEMBER'S CONSENT OR --

SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN THEN? >> MR. BAKER?

>> THANK YOU, MR. BAKER. >> IF YOU GOT YOUR CAMPAIGN, YOUR TREASURER AND YOUR CAMPAIGN ORGANIZATION AND YOU GOT FUNDS, DONATED ITEMS AND YOU DON'T EVEN APPROVE IT, THEN YOU WOULD STILL BE PROHIBITED.

IT DOES NOT ADDRESS THE SITUATION LIKE COUNCILMEMBER EVANS WAS TALKING ABOUT WHERE A PACT DOES NOT GIVE ANYTHING

TO YOUR CAMPAIGN. >> AND THEY JUST PUT IT UP.

>> YEAH, THEY DO IT WITHOUT ANY CONNECTION TO YOU.

YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT. SHE IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT IN THAT REGARD. IN THAT SENSE BECAUSE YOUR CAMPAIGN DIDN'T RECEIVE ANYTHING OR YOUR -- OR YOU DIDN'T RECEIVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO.

>> WHEN IT IT SAYS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS IT IS WARD 1

THROUGH 12 AND THE MAYOR. >> IT WOULD APPLY TO THE

MAYOR. >> THANK YOU.

>> COUNCIL PERSON SMITH, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST LISTENING TO ALL WHAT HAS BEEN SAID AND PERTAINING TO THE PACTS AND ACCEPTING MONEY AND EVERYTHING, I AM THINKING ABOUT -- I HOPE I CAN SAY THIS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE CAN KIND OF SQUASH THIS.

ALMOST EVERYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL HAS ACCEPTED SOME TYPE OF FUND. THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHEN PEOPLE GAVE ME MONEY AND I HAVE TO TELL THE TRUTH.

NOT MUCH BECAUSE IN MY WARD WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH.

I AM NOT PUTTING PEOPLE DOWN. I AM JUST TELLING YOU THAT WE WORK HARD FOR OUR MONEY AND WE DON'T HAVE MONEY TO GIVE AWAY. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS.

WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS FROM A LAWSUIT PERSPECTIVE.

YOU CAN'T VOTE IF SOMEBODY HAS A LAWSUIT AGAINST US AND THEY HAVE GIVEN US MONEY AND WE CAN'T VOTE.

WELL, WHAT ABOUT WE HAVE MADE AMENDMENTS AND WE HAVE MADE RESOLUTIONS AND WE HAVE EVEN VOTED ON ZONES, OF PEOPLE WE KNOW HAVE GIVEN US MONEY. WHY IS IT SO BAD FOR US -- OR WHY IS IT NOT RIGHT FOR US TO VOTE IF IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE LAWSUIT? WHAT IF WE ARE VOTING IN THEIR FAVOR BECAUSE THEY SUPPORTED OUR CAMPAIGN? I SAY THIS IS MY COUSIN AND I WILL STAND FOR THIS.

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IT AIN'T GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

SOMEBODY GAVE MONEY SOMEWHERE.

WE VOTE OWED ZONING AND WE KNOW -- WE VOTED ON ZONING AND WE KNOW GOOD AND WELL WE KNOW THEM RIGHT THERE SUPPORTED ME. SO WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? WE ARE JUST CAUSING MORE PROBLEMS AND HEADACHES.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON

SMITH. >> COUNCIL PERSON REDD?

>> I WANT TO -- I DON'T WANT TO OFFEND ANYONE, BUT THAT'S NOT THE PURPOSE. ONE OF THE WISE THINGS I HAVE HEARD IS MAYBE THIS SHOULD GO TO THE COMMITTEE -- OR THROUGH COMMITTEE AS WELL. SOMEBODY MENTIONED I WAS JUST GIVEN $25 AND BEFORE IT COULD BE DISCLOSED AT THE ELECTION COMMISSION AND IT HAS TO BE MORE THAN $100 AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE LOOKED AT IN THE APPROPRIATE COMMITTEE, WHETHER IT IS FINANCE OR SOMETHING.

THE THING IS SOMEBODY SAID WHY? WHY DO WE WANT TO DO -- WELL, WE ALREADY HAVE REASONS WHY WE HAVE TO ABSTAIN. THERE ARE SEVERAL REASONS.

I HAVE A ZONING CASE THAT'S Y -- THAT'S ON HERE AND I HAVE ON ABSTAIN BECAUSE IT IS NEXT DOOR TO A PROPERTY I OWN.

I DON'T KNOW WHO IS BUILDING IT OR ANYBODY ELSE.

IT WILL PROBABLY IMPROVE THE VALUE OF MY PLACE.

I WOULD PROBABLY VOTE FOR IT, BUT I HAVE TO ABSTAIN ON THAT. THERE ARE LOTS OF REASONS WE HAVE TO ABSTAIN. AS I UNDERSTAND FROM THE SPONSOR HERE, THIS IS ONLY WHEN A LAWSUIT IS BROUGHT BEFORE US AND THIS PERSON HAS DONATED TO OUR CAMPAIGN.

I LOOKED AT THE WORDING AND IT PROBABLY COULD BE CLEANED UP QUITE A BIT WHERE IT WOULD SPECIFY A CERTAIN AMOUNT.

I AGREE WITH ONE OF THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS.

PROBABLY THIS SHOULD GO TO COMMITTEE AS WELL AND BE CLEANED UP. THANKS.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON REDD.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION OR A COMMENT REGARDING ORDINANCE 80? SEEING NONE WE ARE NOW READY FOR ITEM NUMBER 6 WHICH IS RESOLUTION 55-2020-21, ESTABLISHING THE CLARKSVILLE SUSTAINABILITY BOARD.

THE SPONSOR IS COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT.

YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >> YES, MAYOR.

THANK YOU. YOU ALL HEARD MS. JOANNE'S PRESENTATION IN REGARDS TO SUSTAINABILITY WITH -- WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK BEING ABLE TO ESTABLISH A BOARD THAT CAN LOOK AT WAYS TOEN -- TO ENHANCE CLARKSVILLE IN REGARDS TO SOLAR POWER AND OTHER SUSTAINABLE MEASURES WOULD BE IDEAL FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

AND I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOUR SUPPORT ON THIS PARTICULAR RESOLUTION.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT. COUNCIL PERSON HOLLEMAN.

>> THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO SAY I HAD A LOT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM CONSTITUENTS AND PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. THEY ARE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF IT. I HAVE NOT HEARD COMPLAINTS

ABOUT IT AT THIS POINT. >> THANK YOU.

COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> YES. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO COUNCIL PERSON -- I MEAN, TO THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER FOR SUBMITTING THIS RESOLUTION. 1* IT IS SOMETHING I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND I MET WITH THE PREVIOUS MAYORS. WHEN WE MET IN DECEMBER, I SOCIALIZED IT. I SOCIALIZED IT WITH EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD I HAVE SPOKEN WITH.

IN DECEMBER AFTER WE WERE ENDORSED COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT IS BRINGING IT FORWARD AND I HOPE YOU SUPPORT IT AND I AM EXCITED ABOUT THIS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS.

COUNCIL PERSON BUTLER, ARE YOU RECOGNIZED.

>> I HAVE A STATEMENT AND A QUESTION.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WAS NOT ENDORSED BY THE SIERRA CLUB, JUST FOR THE RECORD.

AND I GUESS THIS IS TO THE SPONSOR.

JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS NOT A PAID POSITION.

THIS IS JUST A COMMITTEE, CORRECT? COOL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> HOLD ON A MINUTE. LET'S GET THIS THING BACK IN ORDER. SHE ADDRESSED THE QUESTION TO THE SPONSOR. COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT, ARE YOU

RECOGNIZED. >> THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES, IT IS NOT A PAID POSITION. LONG ANSWER IS, SOME THOUGHTS

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WHILE AT THE SAME TIME, NOT INCURRING COSTS.

WITH THESE INDIVIDUALS SITTING ON THE BOARD IT WILL BE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE ALREADY RECEIVING FUNDS OR WHAT HAVE YOU. AND IT IS GOING TO INCLUDE AT LEAST BASED ON THE RESOLUTION, AT LEAST ONE COUNTY COMMISSIONER WHO IS ALSO GETTING PAID BY THE COUNTY SO THERE IS NO EXTRA ADDED COSTS.

AND THEN THE INDIVIDUALS WOULD ARE VOLUNTARILY PARTICIPATING AND APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR, BUT SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THE CITY COUNCIL, OF COURSE. LONG ANSWER AND SHORT ANSWER.

>> COUNCIL PERSON BUTLER, DOES THAT SQUARE YOU AWAY?

>> THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION, YES.

TO ECHO A PREVIOUS SPEAKER, I ALSO HAVE GOTTEN A FLURRY OF EMAILS AND INCLUDING ONE I WILL SHOUTOUT AND THAT IS THE SUSTAINABILITY COORDINATOR AUSTIN P WHO HAPPENS TO BE A WARD 12 RES -- RESIDENT. I THINK THAT WE DO -- ESPECIALLY LOOKING AT THE MAP AND US BEING THE ONLY ONES NOT WORKING IN THE REALM. AS LONG AS WE ARE DOING IT AND IT IS NOT A BURDEN TO THE TAXPAYERS AND WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THINGS BETTER AROUND THE CITY, I SUPPORT IT.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON

BUTLER. >> I WILL SAY THAT CLARKSVILLE HAS BEEN LEADING IN THE CERTIFICATION PROGRAM AND THAT HAS DONE VERY WELL. WHILE THE OTHER CITIES MAY BE A LITTLE AHEAD ON SUSTAINABILITY, WE HAVE THEM BEAT BY A LONG STRETCH. COUNCIL PERSON EVANS, SORRY.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WAS GOING TO POINT OUT THE CITY BEING GREEN CERTIFIED AS WELL.

AND GIVE A LITTLE HAND CLAP TO THAT.

THAT MADE ME HAPPY WHEN I WAS VISITING AMY DOWN IN THE

BASEMENT. >> LOWER LEVEL, AN ATTRACTIVE

TERM. >> IT MADE ME HEART HAPPY.

I ALSO WANTED TO THANK THE SPONSOR FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. I THINK IT IS ABOUT TIME CLARKSVILLE GETS ON THE PATH TO SUSTAINABILITY AND LOOKING AHEAD TO A SUSTAINABILITY DIRECTOR, IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS REGARDING THIS RESOLUTION? LOOKS LIKE WE ARE READY TO MOVE ON TO ITEM 7.

RESOLUTION 56. 56-2020-21 DECLARING THE CITY OF CLARKSVILLE AS A SECOND AMENDMENT SANCTUARY CITY AND WE HAVE DUAL SPONSORS, KNIGHT AND BUTLER.

FIRST KNIGHT AND THEN BUTLER. >> THIS RESOLUTION, WE WERE ABLE TO GET THIS PASSED ON THE COUNTY COMMISSION.

WE HAD A PETITION OF 500 OR SO NAMES OF INDIVIDUALS IN THE COMMUNITY. THERE WAS A LARGE OUTPOURING OF SUPPORT FOR THIS RESOLUTION.

I ASK THAT YOU SUPPORT THIS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT AND THE CO-SPONSOR,

COUNCIL PERSON BUTLER. >> JUST A FEW THINGS TO TOUCH ON. FIRST OF ALL, PEOPLE WERE GETTING A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT HOW TWO PEOPLE WERE ON THIS AND WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DISCUSS.

IT ONE OF THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLES CAME OUT SAYING WE WORKED ON IT TOGETHER. I WANT IT TO BE CLEAR THAT WE DID NOT WORK TOGETHER. WE JUST BOTH PUT IT IN.

DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, MR. BAKER?

>> I WILL ABSOLUTELY CONFIRM THAT BOTH COUNCILMEMBER KNIGHT AND COUNCILMEMBER BUTLER CAME TO ME INDEPENDENTLY, SEPARATELY AND ASKED TO PURSUE THE SAME THING.

>> THANK YOU, MR. BAKER. BACK TO YOU, COUNCIL PERSON

BUTLER. >> THAT SAID I HAVE GOTTEN ALL READY BECAUSE OF THE MEDIA COVERAGE A COUPLE EMAILS TO BOTH SIDES OF THIS. AND OF COURSE I WOULD ASK THAT YOU GUYS SUPPORT THIS. TO BE HONEST WITH YOU THIS IS ALREADY COVERED. THIS IS COVERED BY OUR FEDERAL CONSTITUTION. THIS IS COVERED BY THE STATE CONSTITUTION. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO BE SAYING AGAIN, BUT PEOPLE ARE ASKING US TO SAY.

IT I KNOW THAT'S WHY I PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, AND I ASSUME THAT'S WHY THE OTHER SPONSOR PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.

THIS ISN'T ADDING ANYTHING NEW.

THESE ARE RIGHTS THAT ARE ALREADY INHERENT TO US AS AMERICANS. I ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND LET'S JUST GET THIS -- LET'S GET COPA SET PARTICULAR WITH

-- COPASETIC WITH COUNTY. >> COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT?

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>> AND TO ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER, AND TO ADD THE FACT THAT THIS IS A SYMBOLIC RESOLUTION AND A SYMBOLIC GESTURE SHOWING WE SUPPORT OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AS STATED INHERENT TO US BY OUR CONSTITUTION.

I APPRECIATE IT. >> NOW TO THE LIST.

COUNCIL PERSON ALLEN, YOU ARE UP.

>> THAT WAS MY EXACT QUESTION.

I WAS WONDERING -- YOU KNOW, I LOOKED THROUGH THE OTHER RESOLUTIONS THAT ARE ON HERE AND THEY ARE ALL DOING SOMETHING. AS A PERSON THAT BELIEVES IN THE SECOND AMENDMENT, I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THIS RESOLUTION IS DOING. WHAT IS IT DOING?

>> DO YOU WANT TO DIRECT THAT TO A PARTICULAR --

>> TO ONE OF THE SPONSORS. IT IS SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT I

WOULD BE SAYING YES TO. >> WHICH ONE?

>> AISLE -- I'LL GO. >> COUNCIL PERSON BUTLER.

>> AGAIN, WE ARE -- WE HAVE PASSED THIS AT COUNTY LEVEL.

SO IT IS IN CONCERT WITH -- EVERYBODY WHO LIVES IN CLARKSVILLE, THEY ARE ALREADY UNDER THIS.

SO IT IS TO BRING IN CONCERT WITH THAT.

I PUT THIS FORWARD BECAUSE THE CONSTITUENCY ASKED FOR IT.

THERE IS AN HB GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW THAT PUTS A LOT OF ADDITIONAL REGISTERING REQUIREMENTS ON AMERICAN CITIZENS AT A FEDERAL LEVEL. I THINK AT THIS POINT THE REASON THEY WANT TO HEAR THIS IS THOSE THINGS ARE BEING THREATENED. OUR CONSTITUENTS JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT WE ARE THERE FOR THEM.

I PUT IT IN BECAUSE I WAS ASKED TO BY A CONSTITUENT.

>> IT DOES PRESIDENT CHANGE LAW ENFORCEMENT OR DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING. WE ARE JUST DOING A RESOLUTION TO SAY WE SUPPORT THE SECOND AMENDMENT WHICH WE SWEAR TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION ANYWAY WHEN WE TAKE OUR SWEARING IN, BASICALLY? I AM JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. EVERYTHING ELSE IS DOING SOMETHING. ON THIS AGENDA.

>> HANG ON A SECOND. COUNCIL PERSON ALLEN, DID YOU WANT TO DIRECT THAT TO A SPONSOR?

>> NO. I WAS SPECIFICALLY WONDERING WHAT WE WERE DOING. IT SAYS DECLARING THE CITY OF CLARKSVILLE. IT DOESN'T SAY IT IS OF THE COUNCIL. IT SAYS DECLARING.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING. WHAT DOES BEING A SECOND AMENDMENT SANCTUARY CITY DO? MR. BAKER.

>> IT IS A SENSE OF THE COUNCIL.

IT HAS NO LEGAL EFFECT. OTHER THAN TO EXPRESS THE THOUGHTS OF THE COUNCIL REGARDING THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT. AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE THE WORD SENSE OF THE COUNCIL FOR IT TO BE A SENSE OF THE

COUNCIL. >> THANK YOU.

>> COUNCIL PERSON ALLEN, DOES THAT SQUARE YOU AWAY? COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS, ARE YOU RECOGNIZED.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE ATTENTION TO THE COUNCIL, IT STATES WHICH BILLS PURPORTED TO AUTHORIZE ISSUANCE OF EXTREME RISK PROTECTION ORDERS ALSO KNOWN AS RED FLAG LAWS.

RED FLAG LAWS SAVE LIVES. THEY ARE THE STATE LAWS THAT AUTHORIZE COURTS TO ISSUE SPECIAL TYPES OF PROTECTION ORDERS ALLOWING THE POLICE TO TEMPORARILY CONFISCATION -- CONFISCATE FIREARMS TO BE STATED BY A JUDGE TO BE A DANGER TO OTHERS. THIS IS SAYING THAT THOSE SHOULD GO AWAY. THIS IS NOT A WILLY NILLY APPROACH, BUT IT IS DIRECTED AT A GROUP OF RESIDENTS THAT HAVE A REALLY HIGH RISK OF DYING.

THE CAUSE OF GUN VIOLENCE IN TENNESSEE, WE HAVE THE EIGHTH HIGHEST SOCIETAL COST OF GUN VIOLENCE IN THE U.S.

GUN DEATHS AND INJURIES CAUSE TENNESSEE $9 BILLION 433 MILLION OF WHICH ARE PAID BY TAXPAYERS ANNUALLY.

WOMEN, FEMALE INTIMATE PARTNERS, ARE HOMICIDE VICTIMS WHO ARE KILLED WITH A GUN 59% OF THE TIME IN TENNESSEE.

THIS IS IN THE COUNTRY -- IN THE COUNTRY THIS IS THE 14TH HIGHEST IN THE COUNTRY.

GUNS ARE THE SECOND LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH AMONG CHILDREN AND TEENS IN TENNESSEE. IN 10TON THE RATE OF GUN DEATHS INCREASED 28% FROM -- IN TENNESSEE THE RATE OF GUN DEATHS INCREASED 28% COMPARED TO 17% NATIONWIDE.

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THAT'S WHAT RED FLAG LAWS ARE PROTECTING US FROM.

MANY PEOPLE SAY THIS IS PROTECTING OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS DON'T WORK FOR FREEDOM MOVEMENTS. AS STATED BY RED SOX -- ROXANN ORTIZ. IT IS FOR DOMINATION OF PEOPLE OF COLOR, SLAVE PATROLS AND MILITIAS TO KILL INDIANS.

IT STILL HAS THAT ELEMENT. AND NOW IT IS USED TO CRIMINALIZE PEOPLE OF COLOR, SHE SAID.

BLACK PEOPLE ARE ARRESTED FOR WEAPONS CRIMES AT A RATE OF 4.4% TIMES HIGHER THAN WHITE PEOPLE.

WE ONLY NEED TO LOOK AT THE WHITE SUPREMACIST INSURRECTION AT THE CAPITOL COMPARED TO HOW MEMBERS OF OUR BLACK LIVES MATTER WERE TREATED IN THIS NATION.

THE ARMED MILITIA OF THE 19TH CENTURY WERE ABOUT CONQUEST OF NATIVE AND SUBJUGATION OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS. IF WE ARE TRULY A PRO-LIFE -- MANY PEOPLE SAY THEY ARE PRO-LIFE.

IF YOU ARE TRULY PRO-LIFE YOU SHOULD BE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT THE NEEDS OF -- WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO STOP A UNIQUELY HORRIFYING FORM OF BLOODSHED THAT HAS RACKED THIS NATION AGAIN AND AGAIN IN RECENT MONTHS.

IN THE BILL, YOU BOTH CLAIM TO BE PRO-LIFE.

I HEARD YOU ON DIFFERENT OCCASIONS.

THIS ORDINANCE ONLY SERVES TO PUT OUR VULNERABLE CITIZENS AND MOSTLY WOMEN AND MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE AT RISK.

THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL PERSON EVANS, YOU

ARE RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER FOR OFFERING SOME OF THE STATISTICS. I WANT TO SAY THAT I AM -- I SUPPORT THE SECOND AMENDMENT. HOWEVER, I DO SUPPORT COMMON SENSE GUN LAW THAT'S ARE THERE FOR A REASON.

I DON'T BELIEVE THEY ARE CAUSING AN INFRINGEMENT ON ANYONE'S RIGHT A GUN.

I DID NOT SUPPORT THE COUNTY WHEN THEY DID THIS.

I JUST DON'T -- I UNDERSTAND THE MOTION AND TO BE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY. I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT THIS.

>> THANK YOU COUNCIL PERSON EVANS.

COUNCIL PERSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> I AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER, WHAT DOES THIS DO? AND I WILL ASK IN THE FUTURE THAT WE CAN'T ASSUME THAT EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE ARE UP HERE TALKING ABOUT. BY NO STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION WE KNOW ALL OF THE LAWS SO MAYBE COULD ONE OF THE SPONSORS JUST NUTS AND BOLTS IT FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO ARE GOING WHAT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT? HOW DOES THIS IMPACT US? AS THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER SAID, WHAT DOES THIS DO FOR THE CITY OF CLARKSVILLE? I THINK THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR EVERYONE.

>> I THANK YOU. HANG ON.

COUNCIL PERSON RICHMOND. IS THAT IT?

>> YES. >> THANK YOU.

COUNCIL PERSON LITTLE, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I DO SUPPORT THE SECOND AMENDMENT AND ALONG WITH THIS RESOLUTION, ESPECIALLY WORKING IN LAW ENFORCEMENT ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WITH GUNS IS -- THE UNFORTUNATE THING IS THERE WILL ALWAYS BE GUN VIOLENCE. WE NEED MORE EDUCATION ON GUN AWARENESS AND GUN SAFETY. THAT'S PERTINENT.

THE THING ABOUT IT IS, A LOT OF THE STATISTICS BROUGHT ABOUT HOMICIDES AND GUN VIOLENCE AND GUN DEATH ARE DONE BY PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE RESPECT FOR THE LAWS ALREADY.

THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME WE MAKE UP MORE GUN LAWS AND MORE GUN BILLS AND YOU ARE AFFECTING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT INVOLVED WITH THE LAW AND THEY KNOW WHAT GUN SAFETY IS AND THEY KNOW HOW TO OPERATE AND MATURELY HANDLE A GUN.

IT IS THE PEOPLE -- AND MAYBE EVEN WHERE PEOPLE CAN BE OPENLY EDUCATED ABOUT THE GUN SAFETY AND GUN RIGHTS AND WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A GUN HOLDER. BECAUSE IT IS A HUGE RESPONSIBILITY. EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE TAUGHT THAT. YOU DON'T NEED TO PUNISH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY FOLLOWING THE LAWS.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON LITTLE.

COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT, YOU ARE ON THE LIST, BUT ACCORDING TO MY TALLY YOU HAVE TWO BITES OF THE APPLE.

OKAY. COUNCIL PERSON REDD, YOU ARE

RECOGNIZED. >> I WOULD LIKE TO BE SAYING

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SEEMS LIKE EVERY DAY WE ARE LOSING ALL OF OUR RIGHTS UNDER THE FIRST 10 AMENDMENTS, THE BILL OF RIGHTS.

THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF LIVES THAT HAVE BEEN SAVED BECAUSE OF THE RIGHT IF OUR COUNTRY TO BEAR ARMS AS WELL AS PEOPLE PROTECTING THEMSELVES. THERE IS A STATE REPRESENTATIVE IN TEXAS, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER HER NAME RIGHT OFF THE BAT, BUT YOU CAN SEARCH THIS.

SHE WAS IN A RESTAURANT AND BECAUSE OF THE LAW SHE HAD TO LEAVE HER WEAPON. SHE HAD A LICENSE TO CARRY A WEAPON, BUT SHE HAD TO LEAVE IT IN HER GLOVE COMPARTMENT OF THE TRUCK. THIS GUY RAN INTO THE RESTAURANT AND STARTING SHOOTING AT WILL.

SHE INSTINCTIVELY WENT FOR HER WEAPON, BUT SHE REALIZED IT WAS IN THE TRUCK. BOTH OF HER PARENTS THAT SHE WAS WITH WERE KILLED. IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE RESTRICTION THAT WAS SO -- THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE THERE.

SINCE SHE LOBBIED AND WAS ABLE TO PRESENT THAT.

PEOPLE SAY WHAT DOES IT DO? WELL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF RESOLUTION THAT'S COME BEFORE THE COUNTY COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL WHERE WE DECLARE SOMETHING AND THE OTHER FOLKS I HAVE SEEN HERE TONIGHT, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS ON HERE. THEY WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT AND MAKE A RESOLUTION THAT THEY DEEM IS WORTHY.

IT SAYS IN THE LAST PART HERE, WHERE IN BE IT RESOLVED -- IN THE LAST PARAGRAPH. IT IS SELF-EXPLAIN -- SELF- SELF-EXPLAIN TERRY. IT SAYS WE ARE DE -- DECLARING OURSELVES AS A SANCTUARY CITY.

AND WEE WILL PROVIDE A -- AND WE WILL PROVIDE A HAVEN AND SUPPORT AND WE ARE STANDING UP TO THE SECOND AMENDMENT OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON REDD.

COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS, ARE YOU RECOGNIZED FOR THE SECOND

TIME. >> I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT IT ALSO SAYS RED FLAG LAWS SHOULD BE REMOVED.

RED FLAG LAWS SAVE LIVES. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS. COUNCIL PERSON HOLLEMAN, ARE

YOU RECOGNIZED. >> REGARDING RED FLAGS, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THIS DOESN'T CHANGE ANY LAWS.

EVEN IF IT IS A SUGGESTION -- I WILL ABSTAIN FROM GIVING MY FEELING ON THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

THE FEELING IS WHAT DOES IT PROGRESS OR WHAT DOES IT IMPROVE. IF IT PASSES OR FAILS DOES ANYTHING CHANGE? THAT'S MY ULTIMATE FEELING ON IT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON HOLLEMAN.

COUNCIL PERSON BUTLER, FOR THE SECOND TIME.

>> THIS RESOLUTION DOES NOT SAY THAT RED FLAG LAWS DON'T EXIST. THE FIRST PARAGRAPH IN IT JUST STATES THAT RED FLAG LAWS ACTUALLY DO EXIST.

IF YOU READ DOWN TO -- AS THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER WAS SAYING -- SORRY. I'M TRYING TO GET THIS OPEN.

YOU READ DOWN TO THE END OF IT AND THE DECLARATION THAT WE ARE MAKING STATES NOTHING ABOUT RED FLAG LAWS.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID TWICE THAT IS NOT CORRECT. THE FIRST PARAGRAPH JUST MENTIONED RED FLAG LAWS. THE OTHER THING -- I GUESS THIS DOESN'T EVEN NEED TO BE SAID, BUT JUST BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT CLIMATE AND ESPECIALLY WITH -- WE HAVE A LOT OF DIVERSITY AND CULTURAL AND RACIAL ISSUES GOING ON UP HERE , AND MAYBE THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE AN EXTREMELY, THANK JESUS, THANK GOD, DIVERSE GROUP UP HERE.

WE HAVE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THIS.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT MY SUPPORT OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH -- WITH, YOU KNOW, BEING IN DASH DASH DARN INDASH DARN -- INORDINATELY OPPRESSIVE OF CERTAIN RACES OR ETHNICITIES.

>> ANYBODY ELSE? I AM GOING BACK TO THE TWO SPONSORS FOR FINAL REMARKS. COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO --

>> OKAY. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SORRY, COUNCIL PERSON, KNIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR.

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BIGOTRY. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SET A SCENE. IT IS 4:30 A.M. ON ANY GIVEN MORNING IN THE CITY OF CLARKSVILLE.

A YOUNG WOMAN JUST FEEDS HER DAUGHTER WITH HER DIAPER BAG.

AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN COUPLE IS DISCUSSING THE DISCRIMINATION THEIR SON IS HAVING IN SCHOOL.

A SIM -- SAME-SEX COUPLE CATCHES UP IN ZOOM.

ONE IS HERE AND ONE IS IN AFGHANISTAN OF ONE SERVES OPENLY IN THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY AND THE OTHER DOES NOT SHARE FOR FEAR OF DISCRIMINATION AND RETALIATION.

ONE PERSON IS A VICTIM OF SEXUAL ASSAULT.

FEARS THEY MAY BE PREGNANT DUE TO THE ASSAULT AND REGRETTING TO REPORT IT. A COUPLE, ONE MUSLIM AND ONE CHRISTIAN, ARE DISCUSSING THEIR RELATIONSHIP.

WHEN THEY WILL TELL THEIR FAMILIES.

THEY ALL SHARE THE NEXT STEPS.

THEY PUT ON THEIR UNIFORM AND LACE UP THEIR BOOTS AND DON THEIR COVER AND DRIVE THROUGH THE GATES OF FORT CAMPBELL, KENTUCKY TO SERVE OUR NATION WITH HONOR AND DIGNITY.

THESE EXAMPLES DO NOT ONLY REPRESENT THE MILITARY MEMBERS WHO LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT THESE RESIDENTS LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITIES, SUPPORT OUR SCHOOL SYSTEMS AND PAY TAXES ALL WITHOUT REPRESENTATION IN NASHVILLE.

I KNOW THE MAYOR READ IT, BUT FOR THE PUBLIC FOLLOWING ALONG, I WILL NOT REREAD THE FIRST PARAGRAM, WHEREAS ALL PEOPLE ARE CREATED EQUAL IN RIGHTS AND DIGNITY.

EQUALITY WAS CENTRAL TO OUR NATION'S FOUNDING AND THE DECLARATION THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL.

WHERE PUBLIC FUNDS ARE INVOLVED, ALL PUBLIC SHOULD HAVE A REASONABLE EXPECTATION THEY WILL BE TREATED EQUALLY.

WHERE THE DISCRIMINATION DEMORALIZES ALL RESIDENTS AND DIRECTLY AFFECTS THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND MORALE OF OUR RESIDENTS AND INCLUDES THE MILITARY SERVICE MEMBERS AND FAMILY MEMBERS ASSIGNED TO FORT CAMPBELL, KENTUCKY.

AND WHEREAS ANTI-LGBTQ LAWS KNOWN INTERNATIONALLY AS A TENNESSEE SLATE OF HATE COULD RESULT IN A BOYCOTT OF TENNESSEE BY BUSINESSES, SPORTS LEAGUES AND OTHER EVENT ORGANIZERS WHICH WOULD HAVE A TREMENDOUS EFFECT ON THE FINANCES OF CLARKSVILLE IN THE STATE OF TENNESSEE.

AND WHEREAS OUR DO -- DEMOCRACY WORKS BEST WHEN ALL ELIGIBLE VOTERS CAN PARTICIPATE AND HAVE THEIR VOICES HEARD. AND VOTER ID LAWS CUTS VOTING OF VOTER ROLLS AND SYSTEMIC DISSEN -- DISENFRANCHISE MEANT. AND WHERE COMMUNITIES ARE SUSCEPTIBLE TO OPPRESSION AND OUT RIGHT TARGETED, PEOPLE OF COLOR, STUDENTS, THE ELDERLY AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.

WHEREAS THE CITY OF CLARKSVILLE DOES NOT SUPPORT LEGISLATIVE DISCRIMINATION. NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED BY THE CITY OF -- BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CLARKSVILLE, TENNESSEE, THE CITY OF CLARKSVILLE REQUESTS 112 GENERAL ASSEMBLY VOTE NO ON SENATE BILL 1510 PERTAINING TO ABOLISHING EARLY VOTING. THE CITY OF CLARKSVILLE REQUESTS THE TENNESSEE GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO VOTE NO WHICH ALLOWS STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES TO OPT OUT OF TRAINING SESSIONS THEY SAY CONFLICTS WITH THEIR BELIEFS. THE CITY OF CLARKSVILLE REQUESTS THE TENNESSEE GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO VOTE NO ON SB112, HB800 THAT PERTAINS TO CENSORING LGBTQ CONTENT IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOL TEXTBOOKS. IT IS AN UPDATED VERSION OF THE OLD "DON'T SAY GAY" BILL. THE 1 STWEL GENERAL ASSEMBLY -- 112 GENERAL ASSEMBLY IS ASKED TO FOCUS ON EQUITY AND EQUALITY REJECTING BILLS WOULD PROMOTE EXCLUSION, DISCRIMINATION AND BIGOTRY. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL THAT EQUITY IS -- IT DOES NOT PROTECT THEM WHEN THEY SAY NOT MY SON.

BUT I KNOW WHAT CLOSET HE IS IN.

AND THERE IS A QUESTION AGAINST BIGOTRY AGAINST THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY. IT HAS ONLY BEEN FIVE GENERATIONS SINCE SLAVERY. WE MUST NEVER SEPARATE FAMILIES AND PUT BABIES IN CAGES.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. NO ONE WINS WHEN WE SAY NOT ME. I KNOW WHERE THE WOMEN AND THE CHILDREN ARE SHELTERING. OR I'M SORRY THAT THIS HAPPENED TO YOU. BUT WHAT WERE YOU WEARING? I ASK YOU TO PASS THIS RESOLUTION.

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THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> I WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU SUPPLIED A COPY OF THOSE BILLS IN THE AGENDA? THE COPY OF THE BILLS THAT ARE

IN THERE? >> COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS, THE QUESTION IS DIRECTED TO YOU.

>> NO, I DID NOT, BUT THEY ARE REFERENCED FROM THE WEBSITE.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THEM AND REVIEW THEM.

>> IF YOU WOULD GET THOSE TO THE CLERK AND SHE CAN SEND THEM OUT. COUNCIL PERSON EVANS, YOU ARE

RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I HAVE SAID IT A MILLION TIMES AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN.

I RAN ON MY CAMPAIGN AS BEING OPENLY QUEER FOR A PURPOSE.

TENNESSEE IS NOTORIOUSLY DISCRIMINATORY TO THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY. JUST THIS YEAR GOVERNOR BILLY PASSED A LAW BARRING LOVING HOMES FROM ADOPTING OUT CHILDREN BECAUSE OF THE RELIGIOUS BELIEFS OF THE ADOPTIVE CENTER. I THINK IT IS RIDICULOUS AND I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO JOIN THE SPONSOR IN THEIR EFFORTS

TO PUSH THIS. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON

EVANS. >> AS A SOCIAL WORKER I REALLY DO SUPPORT WHAT THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS HAVE SAID.

I WORK WITH EVERY ONE OF THESE POPULATIONS ON A REGULAR BASIS. I KNOW EVERY ONE OF THESE POPULATIONS WANT TO BE TREATED EQUALLY.

AND IT IS OUR JOB AS THE CITY COUNCIL TO ENSURE THAT IS HAPPENING. EVEN IF WE HAVE TO SEND SOMETHING TO NASHVILLE. WE ARE NOT ASKING ANYONE TO CHANGE THEIR OWN BELIEFS. WE ARE ASKING YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN BELIEFS, CULTURE AND EVERYTHING. WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT.

THERE ARE NO TWO PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM, LET ALONE IN THIS CITY, THAT ARE UH ALIKE WHEN IT COMES TO ALL THINGS.

I AM A BLACK WOMAN, A VETERAN, A DISABLED VETERAN, OKAY? I WAS A SINGLE MOTHER. I'M A CHRISTIAN.

I HAVE ALL OF THESE THINGS, AND EVERY ONE OF US IN THIS ROOM HAVE ALL OF THESE THINGS.

WE SHOULD DISCRIMINATE BASED ON SOMETHING BECAUSE IT IS NOT ME AND IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME.

I SUPPORT THIS 100%. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON ALLEN. COUNCIL PERSON BUTLER, ARE YOU

RECOGNIZED. >> I WANT TO SUPPORT THIS.

I DO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE LANGUAGE IN HERE AND MAYBE I WILL TRY TO WRITE UP AN AMENDMENT.

THERE IS A LITTLE TOO MUCH -- I CAN AGREE WITH THE NOT DISCRIMINATORY, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TELLING PEOPLE WHAT THEY WILL BELIEVE, HOWEVER. SO LIKE WHERE IT SAYS GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES CAN'T OPT OUT OF TRAINING THAT CONFLICTS WITH THEIR BELIEF. I BELIEVE IT IS OVERENCOMPASSING OR NOT QUITE -- OR NOT QUITE THERE.

I JUST WANTED TO LET IT BE KNOWN THAT I MAY PUT A AMENDMENT TOWARD. IT I AGREE WITH THE PREMISE, BUT I THINK WE MAY NEED TO WORK ON THIS.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON BUTLER. COUNCIL PERSON GARRETT, DID YOU WANT TO PASS? OKAY.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT? IT IS REGARDING RESOLUTION 57.

COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS, BACK TO YOU.

YOU ARE THE SPONSOR. >> I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER. THAT IS ACTUALLY A BILL TO ALLOW ANYBODY THAT DOES PRESIDENT -- THAT DOESN'T AGREE WITH SEXUAL ORIENTATION TRAINING OR DIVERSITY TRAINING TO OPT OUT OF THE TRAINING AND NOT RECEIVE THE TRAINING.

THAT IS NOT MY LANGUAGE. THAT IS THE LANGUAGE OF THE BILL I WILL INCLUDE JUST SO YOU KNOW.

>> THANK YOU COUNCIL PERSON. ANYBODY ELSE ON RESOLUTION 57? WE ARE NOW READY FOR ITEM 9 AND RESOLUTION 58. 2020-21 AND SUPPORTING DE CRIMINALIZATION OF SIMPLE POSSESSION OR CASUAL EXCHANGE OR MARIJUANA -- IS IT OR MARIJUANA OR OF MARIJUANA FOR PERSONAL USE. COUNCIL PERSON BUTLER, YOU ARE

THE SPONSOR. >> CAN YOU, MAYOR.

I THINK THIS IS PRETTY SELF-EXPLAIN -- EXPLANATORY.

I BELIEVE THERE ARE THREE BILLS GOING THROUGH SESSIONS AT THE STATE LEVEL INVOLVING VARIOUS LEVELS OF DE CRIMINALIZATION AND MEDICAL MARIJUANA ET CETERA, ET CETERA. AND I KNOW I SPOKE TO MULTIPLE STATE LEGISLATORS WHO SAID THAT BASICALLY THEY NEED MUNICIPAL LEVELS TO SET THE PRECEDENCE AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO. NOW, I PERSONALLY WOULD HAVE

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I UNDERSTAND AT THE STATE LEVEL THEY SAID THAT WE CAN'T DO THAT. I WOULD HAVE PASSED THAT HAPPY LITTLE PLAN AND LET IT FALL ON ITS FACE.

AT LEAST THEN THE PEOPLE OF CLARKSVILLE WOULD KNOW THAT WE ARE HERE FOR THEM. HOWEVER, I DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE -- TO MAKE IT FUNCTIONAL AT ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHING SOMETHING.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL RESOLUTION IT IS SENT TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE. IT IS A SENSE OF THE COUNCIL AGAIN SO THEY KNOW WHERE WE STAND.

AND IT IS GOING TO BE SENT TO OUR D.A., THE D.A. FUNK IN NASHVILLE. HE SAYS HE WILL NOT PURSUE PROSECUTION FOR LESS THAN HALF A -- I CAN'T REMEMBER THE AMOUNT. THERE IS AN AMOUNT.

I WOULD LIKE TO MODEL THAT AND HAVE OUR DAR -- OUR D.A. START DOING THAT. I SPOKE TO VARIOUS L.E.O.IN THE CITY AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WHO SAYS WE DON'T MESS WITH THAT. I HAVE SEEN WE PROSECUTE PETTY, SMALL AMOUNTS. WE ARE REALLY RUINING PEOPLE'S LIVES WITH THAT SOMETIMES. I WOULD ASK FOR EVERYONE'S SUPPORT OF THIS AND THAT'S ABOUT IT.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SPONSOR.

ANY QUESTIONS OF THE SPONSOR REGARDING THIS RESOLUTION? COUNCIL PERSON SMITH, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> I SUPPORT THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER ON THIS.

I HAVE SEEN TOO MANY PEOPLE ARRESTED FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON SMITH.

COUNCIL PERSON EVANS, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE SPONSOR OF THIS RESOLUTION. I HAVE BEEN VERY VOCAL FOR MY SUPPORT OF DE CRIMINALIZATION.

I REALIZE WE CAN'T DO IT O -- ON A LOCAL LEVEL, ABOUT YOU THE SENSE OF THE COUNCIL WOULD URGE THE HIGHER UPS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, TO KIND OF GET A PUSH ON THAT.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON EVANS.

ANYBODY ELSE WITH A QUESTION OR COMMENT REGARDING RESOLUTION 58? LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, LET'S TAKE A BREAK. WE ARE GOING TO BREAK UNTIL

>> CHAIRPERSON GARRETT, ARE YOU THE SPONSOR.

>> THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO CALL MR. BAKER UP TO DISCUSS IT. AS HE IS COMING UP I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE RECOGNITION WHERE RECOGNITION IS DUE. THERE WERE A LOT REVISIONS MADE TO ME IT IS AN EASY WAY TO HAVE DIALOGUE AND KUDOS TO YOU. WITHOUT FURTHER ADIEU -- --

>> MR. BAKER YOU ARE RECOGNIZED BRIEFLY.

>> [INAUDIBLE]. >> SO, WE HAD VEE YOUS MEMBER THAT'S WANTED TO REVISIT CHARTER AND PROMOTE -- PROPOSE AMENDMENTS TO THE CHARTER. AS WAS EXPLAINED TO COUNCILMEMBER REYNOLDS, YOU RUN A RISK IF YOU HAVE EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN SEPARATE RESOLUTION.

IT IS POSSIBLE THAT ONE PASSES THAT MAKES THE AMENDMENT TO THE CHARTER AND THEN ANOTHER RESOLUTION PASSES THAT SAYS SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM THE SAME SECTION.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE DONE IT THE WAY WE HAVE DONE IT.

BY THE WAY, THIS IS EXACTLY HOW IT IS DONE THE LAST TIME WE REWROTE THE CHARTER FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO.

YOU HAVE A SINGLE RESOLUTION AND IT ASKS THE TENNESSEE ASSEMBLY TO ENACT RESOLUTION TO ENACT THE STATE LAW CHARTER. AND IT MAY HAVE COME TO A SHOCK, BUT IF YOU READ THAT GETTING TO KNOW AND MAYBE LOVE YOUR CHARTER PAMPHLET, IT TALKS ABOUT THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF CHARTERS AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT KINDS.

OURS IS THE OLDER -- OLDEST KIND.

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WE ARE NOT IN CONTROL OF WHAT IS OUR CONSTITUTION.

WE ARE AT THE WHIM OF THE TENNESSEE STATE LEGISLATURE.

AND FRANKLY THEY CAN EVEN ABOLISH US IF WE -- IF THEY WANT TO, THE WHOLE CITY, IF THEY WANTED TO.

I DOUBT THAT WOULD EVER HAPPEN. AND THEY CAN CHANGE THE CHARTER. THE WAY THE PRACTICE HAS EVOLVED, AND BY THE WAY THE CHARTER IS A STATE LAW.

IT IS NOT A CITY -- WELL, IT IS A CITY LAW, BIT IT IS TECHNICALLY A STATE LAW. WHAT THIS DOES IS AMENDS IT IN CONFORM MENS WITH EXHIBIT A. AND THEN IN THE SECOND PARAGRAPH IT GOES ON TO ASK OUR LOCAL DELEGATION MEMBERS AND STATE SENATOR AND OUR THREE MEMBERS -- I AM NOT EVEN SURE DOES IT REPRESENT THE CITY OR IS IT JUST THE COUNTY? THE COUNTY? IT ASKED THEM TO CARRY THE WATER AND SUPPORT AND INTRODUCE THE CHARTER. THE STATE LEGISLATURE WE LEARNED THROUGH THE PREF -- THROUGH THE PREVIOUS SAGA, IF YOU WILL TO GET OUR CHARTER REDONE, THEY WILL NOT INTRODUCE LEGISLATION TO AMEND THE CHARTER UNLESS THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT PASSES IT ON WHAT IS CALLED THE FRONT END BY A TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY. THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR IT TO BE DONE. THE REASON WHY THEY HAVE THIS RULE IS BECAUSE THERE IS A REQUIREMENT THAT IF YOU ARE GOING TO UH -- AMEND A PRIVATE ACT CHARTER, WHEN THEY PASS IT AND IT GETS SIGNED OFF ON BY THE GOVERNOR, IT HAS TO COME BACK AND THIS IS UNDER THE LAW.

IT HAS TO COME BACK FOR A VOTE OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND IT MUST PASS AT THAT POINT BY TWO-THIRDS.

SO THEY ESTABLISHED THIS RULE TO SAY, WELL, WE WANT YOU TO VOTE ON IT ON THE FRONT END. WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP SOME LEGISLATION THAT ONLY CONCERNS ONE CITY OR ONE COUNTY AND WE RUN THROUGH THE PROCESS AND IT PASSES TO YOUR CITY AND THEN FAILS. WE DON'T WANT TO DO ALL OF THAT WORK. SO TO TRY TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS A HIGH LIKELIHOOD THAT IT WILL PASS ON THE BACK END, THEY INSIST THAT IT IS PASSED BY A TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY ON THE FRONT END. THE NEXT POINT IS IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE SUPPORT OF YOUR LOCAL DELEGATION, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THEY MAY JUST NOT INTRODUCE IT.

IF THEY INTRODUCE IT, THEY WILL TELL THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE, IN THE SENATE AND IN THE HOUSE THAT WE DON'T SUPPORT THIS AND WE DON'T WANT YOU TO PASS IT.

ANY OF THOSE OF YOU SEEKING TO AMEND THE CHARTER IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TALKING TO THE LOCAL DELEGATION AND GOTTEN ASSURANCES THEY ARE GOING TO SUPPORT IT, YOU ARE KIND OF GOING ABOUT IT THE WRONG WAY AND YOU COULD END UP WASTING EVERYBODY'S TIME. WITH THAT SAID, LET'S TURN TO THE PROPOSALS I HAVE RECEIVED AND BY THE WAY, THESE ARE JUST THE ONES THAT I HAVE RECEIVED.

THESE ARE ALL PART OF COUNCILMAN GARRETT'S RESOLUTION. THERE ARE PROPOSALS FROM MULTIPLE MEMBERS. NEXT THURSDAY NIGHT IF THERE IS ANY OF YOU GOSH -- ANY OF YOU COUNCILMEMBERS WHO WANT TO OFFER YOUR OWN PROPOSALS, YOU CAN DO IT -- EVEN THOUGH YOU DIDN'T GET IT IN FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION, YOU CAN DO IT, BUT YOU DO IT THROUGH AN -- THROUGH A PROPOSED AMENDMENT THROUGH EXHIBIT A TO THE RESOLUTION.

THE RESOLUTION IS THE MAIN MOTION.

THE MAIN MOTION WILL CONTAIN -- AT LEAST THE ONES WE GOT IN EXHIBIT A FOR NOW. YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE IT IN WRITING. YOU WANT IT, COME AND SEE ME AND EMAIL ME AND I WILL HELP YOU DRAFT IT.

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RIGHT NOW SHE WANTS TO CHANGE IT TO COUNCIL PERSON OR COUNCILMEMBER INSTEAD OF COUNCILMAN.

THAT'S THE WAY IT IS STATED NOW.

AND BY THE WAY, HERE IS WHAT I PROPOSE AND THIS IS EXACTLY HOW WE DID THINGS WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE CHARTER REVISION LAST TIME. I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE THIS IS THERE IS A MAIN MOTION MADE, I MOVE TO APPROVE RESOLUTION WHATEVER NUMBER AND SOMEBODY SECONDS IT. THEN IT IS ON THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION. THEN SOMEONE NEEDS TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIVIDE THE QUESTION INTO THE SEPARATELY NUMBERED PARAGRAPHS. THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY.

I MOVE TO DIVIDE THE RESOLUTION INTO -- TO VOTE ON EVERY PARAGRAPH OF EXHIBIT A SEPARATELY.

AND THAT WAY WE WILL TAKE THEM INY CEREAL -- IN SERIAL ORDER, PARAGRAPH ONE, PARAGRAPH TWO AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE SEPARATE VOTES ON EACH OF THOSE.

THE MOTION WOULD BE TO DIVIDE THE QUESTION AND THEN VOTE ON THE FINAL VERSION OF EXHIBIT A AS UH -- AS ATTACHED TO THE RESOLUTION SEPARATELY. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU WILL HAVE INDIVIDUAL VOTES ON EACH PROPOSED AMENDMENT.

WHATEVER THE MAJORITY RULES ON THAT WILL CARRY THROUGH.

THEN YOU WILL VOTE ON THE RESOLUTION AND EXHIBIT A AS DETERMINED THROUGH THOSE SERIAL VOTES ON EACH PARAGRAPHS. IS EVERYONE FOLLOWING ME? TRACKING WITH ME? PARA-- PARAGRAPH NUMBER ONE, THAT'S AN AN OBVIOUS ONE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS.

LET'S GO TO NUMBER TWO. THIS IS ALSO PROPOSED BY COUNCILMEMBER REYNOLDS. WHAT IT DOES AND ANY CITY COUNCILMEMBER NOT LIVING IN THE WARD THEY SELECTED TO SERVE THAT WILL RESIGN FROM THEIR OFFICE IMMEDIATELY THEREAFTER. COUNCILMEMBER REYNOLDS, YOU AND I NEED TO TALK. THE VERSION YOU SENT ME HAD OTHER LANGUAGE, BUT THERE ARE LEGAL ISSUES WITH THAT THAT DEALS WITH -- WHEN PEOPLE ARE ELECTED TO OFFICE, UNDER THE CASE LAW THEY OBTAIN A PROPERTY RIGHT IN THEIR OFFICE.

THEY CANNOT BE DE -- DEPRIVED OF THE PROPERTY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR TERM, BASICALLY.

I HAD TO TAKE OUT SOME OF THE LANGUAGE AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT TOMORROW OR WHENEVER YOU WANT TO CALL ME.

THIS FIRST PART DOES DO WHAT YOU REQUESTED.

THIS PART IS LABELED. YES.

IN -- THIS CAN BE AIRING YOU GOODED -- ARGUED IS SURPLUSAGE. ARTICLE 2 AND SECTION THREE REQUIRES THAT THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR HAVE TO LIVE WITHIN THE CITY. ANY MAYOR DOES.

AND THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE TO LIVE IN THEIR WARD AT THE TIME THEY QUALIFY AND THEY HAVE TO CONTINUOUSLY RESIDE IN THEIR WARD. IT IS IMPLIED THAT IF YOU DON'T LIVE IN YOUR WARD YOU ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE LAW.

THE LAW SAYS YOU HAVE TO. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, COUNCILMEMBER WREN NOMENTS -- REYNOLDS WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR, OR CLEARER THAT IF YOU NO LONGER RESIDE IN YOUR WARD THAT YOU SOL -- YOU SHALL RESIGN.

YOU HAD ORIGINALLY IN YOUR PROPOSAL IT WAS LIKE 30 DAYS.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT LEGALLY. IF SOMEONE IS IN VIOLATION OF THE LAW, THEY DON'T GET A GRACE PERIOD.

THEY HAVE TO RESIGN IMMEDIATELY IN YOUR PROPOSAL.

ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT -- >> COUNCIL PERSON ALLEN HAS A QUESTION. ARE YOU RECOGNIZED.

>> I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR THIS STATEMENT BECAUSE IT SAYS -- WE HAVE THE CENSUS COMING UP AND ALL OF THE OTHER STUFF. SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BE GETTING CUT OUT OF THEIR WARD. THIS MAKES IT CLEAR THAT IF YOU DON'T LIVE IF YOUR WARD YOU HAVE TO RESIGN.

VERSUS IF THE WARD CHANGES YOU CAN FINISH YOUR TERM OR

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ANYMORE IF THE LINES CHANGE. >> SHE HAD ADDRESSED THAT.

THAT IS SOMETHING I NEED TO DO A STUDY ON.

WE HAVE DEALT WITH THIS IN THE PAST AND I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY HOW WE DEALT WITH IT. ARTICLE 2 AND SECTION 1 AND SUBSECTION B SPEAKS TO WHAT IS CALLED REAPPORTION MEANT IN CONNECTION WITH THE CENSUS. I NEED TO MEET WITH COUNCILMEMBER REYNOLDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LANGUAGE SHE HAD WANTED TO INCLUDE, WHICH I THINK I HAD SOME LITTLE PROBLEMS WITH, WE GET THAT PORTION RIGHT.

WE WILL PROBABLY -- IF I FEEL WE NEED TO ADD SOMETHING TO ADDRESS THE VERY PROBLEM YOU ARE RAISING WHICH IS AN EXCELLENT QUESTION, I WILL GET WITH COUNCILMEMBER REYNOLDS AND DRAFT AN AMENDMENT SHE CAN PROPOSE OR ANYBODY ELSE FOR THAT MATTER, NEXT THURSDAY NIGHT.

TO THIS SPECIFIC PART. IT IS ARTICLE 2, SECTION 1B.

THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL BUY THE CITY 12 WARD.

THE COUNCILMAN REPRESENTS IN EQUAL POPULATIONS.

THE CITY COUNCIL MAY REAPPORTION AT ANYTIME THEREAFTER, ANYTIME. TO MAINTAIN EQUAL REPRESENTATION BASED ON POPULATION.

THEY SHALL USE THE LATEST DATA. OR IT SHOULD BE CONTIGUOUS.

Y'ALL HAVE A VERY BIG AND IMPORTANT JOB COMING UP THIS YEAR. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DRAW THE WARD LINES. I GUESS YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN DONE. IT IS USUALLY REQUIRED BECAUSE THE POPULATION SHIFTS AROUND AND YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE WARDS THAT ARE SUBSTANTIALLY EQUAL IN REPRESENTATION.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MATHEMATICALLY EXACT, BUT IT HAS TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY EQUAL.

>> THE WAY THIS IS WORDED IT WOULD INSTANTLY KICK US OFF THE COUNCIL IF WE RE-DO THE LINES.

WHAT YOU JUST READ SAYS NOTHING ABOUT THE CITY COUNCIL PERSON CAN STAY. DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? IF YOU RYE DO THE -- RE-DO THE LINES -- THERE IS AN ORDER -- AN ORDINANCE THAT WILL ADDRESS THE ISSUES.

>> WHICH IS PART OF THE REDRAWING THE LINES.

>> IF THE CONCERN IS WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE LINES, THE LATER LEGISLATION WILL DEAL WITH THAT.

IT WILL SAY YOU CAN STAY EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE OUTSIDE YOUR WARD LINE UNTIL YOUR TURN IS OVER.

IT MAY NOT HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE CHARTER.

IT WILL CERTAINLY BE ADDRESSED IN THE ORDINANCE THAT Y'ALL WILL DEAL WITH LATER IN THE YEAR DEALING WITH REDRAWING

THE WARD LINES. >> COUNCIL PERSON ALLEN,

ANYMORE QUESTIONS ? >> NO, I'M GOOD.

>> COUNCIL PERSON SMITH? >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

LOOKING AT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM HERE, I WAS THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING YOU JUST SAID.

YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO RESIGN -- A COUNCILMAN DOESN'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY RESIGN IF WE ADD AN AMENDMENT TO SAY CAN LEAVE AFTER TERM IS FINISHED. YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. FINISH OUT HIS TERM.

CAN WE MAKE AN ORDINANCE TO THAT EFFECT?

>> WELL, I SUPPOSE YOU CAN AMEND THE CHARTER TO SAY THAT ONCE ELECTED WITHIN A WARD THAT EVEN IF YOU MOVE OUT OF THAT WARD, YOU CAN CONTINUE TO REPRESENT THAT WARD UNTIL YOUR

TERM ENDS. >> SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN

AMENDMENT TO THAT. >> BECAUSE THE REQUIREMENT THAT YOU CONTINUOUSLY RESIDE IN YOUR WARD, THAT'S JUST

WRITTEN IN THE CHARTER NOW. >> OH IS IT IS?

>> WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE CHARTER NOW CAN BE UNWRITTEN.

UNLESS THERE IS A STATE OR FEDERAL LAW THAT WON'T LET YOU DO THAT, BUT THERE IS NO STATE OR FEDERAL LAW THAT I KNOW OF THAT YOU HAVE TO LIVE IN THE WARD.

THAT'S A LAW IN OUR CHARTER. >> THANK YOU.

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>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ? >> YEAH, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE. COUNCIL PERSON BUTLER, YOU ARE

RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I ACTUALLY WAS GETTING READY TO ASK THE SAME THING.

I AM WILLING TO CO-SPONSOR WITH THAT AMENDMENT.

MY IDEA IS IF WE ARE ALREADY MAKING THE EXCEPTION TO LETTING SOMEBODY STAY IN THEIR SEAT BY REDISTRICTING, WE CAN APPLY THAT SAME THING TO SOMEONE WHO, YOU KNOW, MOVES OUT DURING THEIR TERM. BECAUSE THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS -- AND I KNOW IT IS PRECARIOUS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST GIVE US A VOLTE -- A VOTE ON IT.

THE PEOPLE IN THAT WARD ELECTED THAT PERSON.

ONCE THAT PERSONALLY SIGNS, THEN WE GET TO PICK THE PERSON THAT GOES IN THERE BASED ON APPLICATION OR WHATNOT.

I WOULD ALMOST FEEL BETTER -- OBVIOUSLY IF THEY PICK THAT PERSON TO SERVE, THAT PERSON SHOULD BE ABLE TO SERVE THAT CONSTITUENCY UNTIL THE NEXT ROUND OF VOTING.

>> IT IS AN EXCELLENT POINT AND IT IS CERTAINLY A POLICY ARGUMENT THAT CAN BE MADE TO DO THAT.

YOU NEED TO CONSIDER THE OTHER POSSIBILITY.

THE REASON AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM THE COMMISSION MEETINGS AND THIS PARTICULAR PROVISION HAS BEEN IN THERE SINCE 1870.

THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS TO WARD OFF OR WARD AGAINST THE PRACTICE OF PEOPLE RUNNING FOR ELECTION FROM EACH OF THE WARDS AND THEN MOVING INTO MAYBE WHAT SOME VIEW AS A HIGHER SOCIO ECONOMICALLY POPULATED WARD SO THAT MAYBE THEY GET INFLUENCED BY THE PEOPLE LIVING WHERE THEY LIVE AND THEY DON'T REPRESENT THE PEOPLE THEY WERE ELECTED BY.

I BELIEVE THAT IS THE POLICY RATIONAL BEHIND WHY THAT PROVISION WAS WRITTEN NEW -- INTO THE CHARTER.

>> THAT MAKES SENSE AS WELL. I THINK IT WOULD BE OKAY FOR US TO MAKE A VOTE ON THAT. THANK YOU.

>> YES, MA'AM. ANY OTHERS ?

>> WE HAVE PLENTY. COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT, YOU ARE

RECOGNIZED. >> JUST A POINT OF INFORMATION, MAYOR. APPRECIATE IT.

WE ALL HEARD EARLIER ABOUT THE SENSE OF FEELING OFF FENDED BY WHAT -- OFFENDED BY WHAT SEEMINGLY WAS PERSONAL JABS.

WELL I AM OFFENDED BY NUMBER SEVEN AMENDING SECTION 15.

>> OKAY. YOU HAD A POINT OF ORDER?

>> WE WEREN'T EVEN THERE YET AND MR. BAKER IS GOING THROUGH

THEM ONE THROUGH 7. >> WE ARE BACK ON.

>> NUMBER TWO. >> COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE PART WE ARE ON.

YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >> I WANT TO REITERATE AND ALSO YOU CAN USE THE ADDRESS OF WHERE THERE IS A RENTAL PROPERTY IN A MORE WELL TO DO AREA AND HISTORICALLY LET ME REASSESS IT EVERY YEAR. THAT'S NOT A CHOICE.

WHEN YOU MOVE OUT OF YOUR DISTRICT WHILE YOU ARE SERVING, THAT'S A PERSONAL CHOICE.

THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. >> IT IS DESIGNED TO PREVENT ELITES FROM DOING EXACTLY THAT.

BUYING A RENTAL PROPERTY AND GETTING ELECTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THEN ALL OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS LIVE IN

ONE COMMUNITY. >> LET'S PROCEED.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON NUMBER TWO?

>> LET'S MOVE ON. >> NUMBER THREE.

THIS IS COUNCILMAN ALLEN'S -- I'M SORRY.

COUNCILMEMBER. ARTICLE 2 SECTION 3.

THIS DEALS WITH THE SAME SECTION.

YOU SEE SHE WANTS TO AMEND SUBSECTION A AND SUBSECTION C1. AND THE WAY SAYING SHALL CONTINUE TO RESIDE FOR THEIR TIME IN OFFICE SHE SAYS SHALL CONTINUE TO RETAIN OWNERSHIP OF A RESIDENCE SO AS LONG AS YOU OWN A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY -- I CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT. IT NEEDS TO SAY THAT INSTEAD OF RESIDENCE YOU CAN CONTINUE TO SERVE.

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PRIMARY RESIDENCE. >> PRIMARY RESIDENCE.

THAT'S WHERE THEY LAY THEIR HEAD.

>> THAS -- THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

SHALL RESIDE OR RETAIN OWNERSHIP OF WHAT THEY LIVED IN. I DON'T KNOW.

IN THREE YEARS I MAY MOVE OUT OF WARD 4 AND INTO WARD 8.

I DON'T KNOW. IF -- IT DOESN'T MEAN I CAN'T REPRESENT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE ELECTED ME IN.

AND THEN ONCE I AM DONE WITH THAT RIGHT THERE, THEN I AM DONE. THIS BEING ON CITY COUNCIL SHOULD NOT ATTACH YOU SO MUCH TO YOUR WARD THAT IF YOU HAD TO MOVE -- WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT DON'T OWN A HOUSE.

THEY RENT APARTMENTS. THEIR APARTMENT GET SHUTDOWN AND THEY MAY HAVE TO MOVE. IN WARD SIX THEY ARE KNOCKING DOWN THE TRAILER PARKS AND THEY THEY CAN'T LIVE THERE ANYMORE. IF OUR COUNCIL PERSON LIVED THERE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO MOVE SOMEWHERE.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAY SNG I'M JUST SAYING WE HAVE TO LOOK

THAT PEOPLE ARE HUMAN. >> I WANT YOU TO CALL ME AND LET'S TALK THROUGH THIS TO MAKE SURE -- THIS LANGUAGE IS STRAIGHT WHAT YOU PROPOSED TO ME.

IT MAKES SENSE TO ME, BUT NOW THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IT, I THINK WE MAY NEED TO TWEAK IT.

>> WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE PEOPLE WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR SECTION.

COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS? >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I DON'T THINK BY FEDERAL LAW IT SAYS COUNCIL PERSON SHOULD CONTINUE TO REMAIN REGISTERED TO VOTE IN THE BOARD WHICH YOU ARE ELECTED. WHEN YOU GO TO VOTE YOU STAY WHERE YOU LIVE AND THAT IS YOUR PRY -- PRIMARY

RESIDENCE. >> WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT PROBABLY IS ILLEGAL.

AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T REQUIRE SOMEONE TO STAY REGISTERED IN ANY PARTICULAR LOCATIONS.

WHAT YOU COULD DO IS SAY IN ORDER TO RETAIN YOUR SEAT YOU MUST STAY REGISTERED FOR THE AREA THAT YOU ARE ELECTED.

AND SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT ONE TOO.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU MEANT.

>> THAT TIES BACK TO THE WARD AND IT NEGATES THE OTHER

LANGUAGE. >> I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

I'M SORRY. >> IF YOU SAY YOU HAVE TO STAY REG TERRED -- REGISTERED IN YOUR WARD, THAT NEGATES YOU BEING ABLE TO -- I THINK IT IS THAT SENTENCE.

>> THAT'S TRUE. IT CONFLICTS.

WE ROB BELLY DON'T NEED TO -- REPROBABLY DON'T NEED TO ADDRESS REGISTRATION. IT IS PREEMPTED BY STATE LAW.

STATE LAW GOVERNS REGISTRATION AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO PASS LAWS ON LEGISLATION.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, I DON'T WANT TO TINKER WITH THE REGISTRATION LAW. ALL I'M SAYING IS --

>> [INAUDIBLE]. >> RIGHT.

>> [INAUDIBLE]. >> I GOT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

LET'S TALK ABOUT IT AND TWEAK THIS IN A WAY THAT IS LEGAL.

YOU CANNOT DEAL WITH THE REGISTRATION LAWS.

I DON'T THINK THAT IS REALLY WHAT YOU ARE GETTING AT.

>> HANG OMR. BAKER -- HANG ON, MR. BAKER.

COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS, WERE YOU PERSON? WERE YOU FINISHED? COUNCIL PERSON STREETMAN, WERE

YOU RECOGNIZED? >> UNDERSTANDING THE RETAINING OWNERSHIP OF THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE OR RESIDENCE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WOULD THIS NOT GIVE AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE FOR SOMEBODY TO HAVE MEANS TO OWN MULTIPLE PROPERTIES VERSUS SOMEBODY WHO USING THE EXAMPLE IF THEY RENTED AN APARTMENT AND MOVED TO SOMEWHERE ELSE, I MEAN BECAUSE THEY RENTED IT THEY WOULDN'T STILL BE ABLE TO OWN

THAT. >> THEY WOULD.

IF I AM LIVING IN SANGO AND THERE IS A GREAT CITY COUNCILMEMBER FROM WARD 10 ALREADY AND I I DON'T THINK I

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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ? >> YES.

WE'VE GOT PLENTY. COUNCILMAN ALLEN, YOU ARE

RECOGNIZED. >> I THINK THAT WHAT I AM SAYING BY THAT IS IT IS NOT RETAIN OWNERSHIP.

NOT GO OUT AND RENT ANOTHER PLACE.

IF YOU ORIGINALLY LIVED IN THAT HOUSE, AND THEN YOU MOVE, BUT YOU ORIGINALLY LIVED IN THAT HOUSE AND YOU OWN IT AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, YOU HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN THE WARD. YOUR HOME IS STILL IN THAT WARD. I STILL HAVE A HOME IN WARD 4 THAT I OWN. I DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO VOTE THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU DON'T THINK I AM ALL UP IN THE BUSINESS OF WARD 4 BECAUSE MY HOUSE IS THERE?

YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? >> I DO.

WE CAN TALK IN MORE DETAIL ABOUT IT.

WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS YOU QUALIFY TO BE ELECTED AND YOU ARE LIVING IN HOUSE Z. IT IS IN WARD ABC.

AND THEN YOU MOVE OUT OF HOUSE Z AND MOVE TO HOUSE N, AND IT IS IN ANOTHER WARD, GFH.

BUT YOU STILL RETAIN THE HOUSE --

>> OWNERSHIP. >> YOU STILL OWN HOUSE Z IN THAT WARD, THE ABC WARD, WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING IS YOU WILL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO RETAIN YOUR OFFICE EVEN THOUGH YOU

ARE LIVING IN ANOTHER HOUSE. >> YES.

>> AS LONG AS YOU STILL OWN THE ORIGINAL PLACE, RIGHT?

>> WELL, I THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE RE-- REWORDING, DEFINITELY. I AM NOT SAYING YOU GET ELECTED TODAY AND TOMORROW YOU MOVE OUT OF THE WARD.

I AM SAYING ONCE YOU CROSS THE TWO-YEAR MARK, THE NEXT ELECTION IS COMING UP AND YOU CAN'T RUN AGAIN.

IT IS ONE THING TO HAVE TO CHANGE -- IF IT WAS THE BEGINNING OF YOUR TERM, BUT IF IT IS TOWARD THE AND -- THE

END OF YOUR TERM? >> WHAT ABOUT WHEN YOU QUALIFY AND RAN AND GOT ELECTED AND YOU DIDN'T OWN A HOME, BUT RENTED AN APARTMENT? WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF

THESE THINGS. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT IT.

>> COUNCIL PERSON BUTLER, ON THIS SECTION?

>> YEAH. >> OKAY.

>> GOING BACK TO BOTH PREVIOUS SPEAKERS I CAN SEE HOW IT IS PROBLEMATIC FOR HOMEOWNERS VERSUS RENTERS.

ON THE FLIP SIDE I CAN SEE THAT YOU DO HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN A WARD IF YOU ARE PAYING TAXES THERE.

IF YOU HAVE A HOME IN 4 AND 7 YOU ARE PAYING TAXES ON BOTH HOMES. I DON'T AGREE THAT THE PERSON SHOULD GET TO RUN AGAIN IF THEY DON'T LIVE THERE, BUT THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT I HAD PREVIOUSLY SAID.

I THINK YOU COULD STILL SERVE THAT CONSTITUENCY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON BUTLER. COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS.

YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR THE SECOND TIME.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS AND REITERATE HOW NOT EQUITABLE THAT IS. THAT IS ALLOWING SOMEBODY WITH MONEY TO PURCHASE TWO HOMES AND STAY IN A SEAT AND SOMEBODY WHO DOES NOT HAVE MONEY AND RENTS WOULD BE FORCED OUT. THAT'S NOT EQUITABLE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. IT IS EITHER ALL OR NONE.

IF YOU WANT THEM TO STAY UNTIL THE NEXT ELECTION THEY CAN STAY UNTIL THE NEXT ELECTION. EVEN IF IT IS NOT YOUR TERM.

LIKE ASHLEY HAD TWO YEARS AND SHE TOOK A TWO-YEAR TERM --

>> MY COLLEAGUE. >> YEAH.

IF THAT'S A CHOICE WE CAN DO THAT.

BUT TO SAY YOU HAVE PROPERTY AND YOU GET TO STAY.

YOU DON'T HAVE PROPERTY, YOU HAVE TO GO.

THAT'S NOTABLE. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS. COUNCIL PERSON STREETMAN, ARE YOU RECOGNIZED FOR THE SECOND TIME.

>> ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS IN REGARD TO SAYING SOMEONE STILL HAS A VESTED INTEREST BECAUSE THEY OWN PROPERTY IN THAT WARD, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT OWN PROPERTY THAT LIVE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, AND THEY OWN PROPERTY WITHIN THE CITY, AND THEY AREN'T ABLE TO VOTE IN THE CITY ELECTIONS. THEY HAVE A VESTED INTEREST, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO VOTE IN THAT. THIS WOULD ALLOW SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T STILL LIVE THERE TO HAVE A DIFFERENT ABILITY TO VOTE ON THINGS THAT INVOLVE THE CITY WITH THEIR VESTED INTEREST THAN SOMEBODY WHO LIVES OUTSIDE THE CITY

LIMITS. >> IT IS INTERESTING YOU MENTION THAT. UNDER OUR OLD CHARTER, FOR MANY -- GOING BACK TO THE 1870S AS FAR AS I KNOW, PROPERTY OWNERS, WHETHER YOU LIVE IN THIS CITY OR NOT --

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AND STATE LAW SPECIFICALLY ALLOWS FOR THAT IF THE CITY WANTS TO DO THAT. BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT IN YOUR CHARTER. AS YOU KNOW IT TOOK LIKE THREE OR FOUR YEARS AND IT WAS A VERY PAINFUL PROCESS.

THEY DECIDED -- THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE COMMITTEE WAS TO DO AWAY WITH THAT.

AND THAT'S WHAT ULTIMATELY WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL ENACTED. THERE WERE A LOT OF ARGUMENTS PRO AND CON. PRO OBVIOUSLY, HEY, THEY PAY PROPERTY TAXES. WHY NOT HAVE A VOICE IN THE GOVERNMENT. ON THE OTHER HAND, THEY ARE ABSENTEE LANDLORDS. THEY DON'T CARE WHAT GOES ON HERE. THAT'S SOME OF WHAT I REMEMBER. IT IS AN INTERESTING POINT YOU

RAISE. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL PERSON REDD.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND I REMEMBER THAT WHEN WE HAD THE CHARTER REVIEW. I WILL TALK ABOUT THE EQUITABLE PORTION OF THIS. IF YOU ARE IF THE RENTAL BUSINESS YOU CAN LIVE ANYWHERE YOU WANT TO WITHIN THE CITY.

AND WE HAD CONTACTED OUR CONSTITUANTS AT THAT TIME AND OF COURSE THEY ALL SAID THEY WANTED THEIR COUNCIL PERSON TO LIVE WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE WARD FOR WHICH THEY REPRESENTED AND NOT TO LIVE. AND ALSO IT BRINGS UP THE QUESTION, WHAT IF YOU DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS? WHAT IF YOU LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE? CAN YOU BE ABLE TO REPRESENT YOUR WARD BECAUSE YOU OWN PROPERTY IN THAT WARD? I REALLY BELIEVE TOO THAT YOU SHOULD LIVE WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF YOUR DISTRICT,

OF YOUR WARD. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.

ANYBODY ELSE? KEEP GOING, LANCE.

>> OKAY. NUMBER FOUR.

THIS ONE IS COUNCILMEMBER REYNOLDS.

THIS DEALS WITH TERM LIMITS AND SHE WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE THE TERM LIMITS FROM SECTION 4 -- NOT TERM LIMITS.

SHE WANTS TO REMOVE THE WORD "CONSECUTIVE." THE WAY OUR TERM LIMIT PROVISION IS RIGHT NOW IS IT SAYS YOU ARE LIMITED AS A CITY COUNCILMEMBER AND A MAYOR AND FRANKLY THE CITY JUDGE TOO. ARE YOU LIMITED TO THREE TERMS. YOU CAN TAKE A BREAK AND START A NEW THREE TERMS. WHAT COUNCILMEMBER REYNOLDS WANTS TO SAY IS, NO, YOU GET THREE FOR LIFE.

WHEN YOU SERVE THREE CONSECUTIVE TERMS YOU ARE DONE. I NEED TO GET WITH COUNCILMEMBER REYNOLDS, WHAT IF YOU GET TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS AND THEN YOU HAVE A BREAK, AND THEN YOU COME BACK FOR A THIRD TERM? YOU CAN CALL ME.

IS IT JUST THREE TERMS, PERIOD, FOREVER, OR IF YOU HAVE A BREAK AFTER THE FIRST TERM OR AFTER THE SECOND TERM DO YOU START THREE TERMS AGAIN? THAT'S SOMETHING I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT AND WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT. I'M ASSUMING YOU ARE SAYING YOU WANT 12 YEARS NO MATTER HOW MANY BREAKS THERE ARE, RIGHT? 12 YEARS TOTAL? ALL RIGHT. I WILL REPHRASE THAT.

>> I'M KEEPING A TALLY SHEET HERE.

WE HAVE SEVERAL MEMBERS WHO HAVE EXPENDED THEIR TWO CHANCES. MR. BAKER, DON'T ENGAGE.

MOVE ON. >> I WON'T DO THAT.

I DON'T THINK THERE WILL BE MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S COMMON SENSE WHAT SHE IS WANTING TO DO.

I AM NOT TAKING A POLICY STANCE ON IT.

I AM JUST SAYING THAT'S WHAT SHE MEANS THERE.

NUMBER 5, NOW AN INTERESTING COUNTER POINT HERE COUNCILMAN GARRETT IS PROPOSING TO DO AWAY WITH TERM LIMITS ALTOGETHER. AND HE WANTS TO DO AWAY WITH THEM AND YOU WILL SEE LATER ON DOWN HERE, NOT ONLY FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT FOR THE CITY JUDGE.

OBVIOUSLY AND YOU NOTICE MY COMMENT THERE IN BLUE, IF YOU PASS COUNCILMAN GARRETT'S PROPOSAL, AND WE WILL BE VOTING ON THESE PARAGRAPHS INDIVIDUALLY, WELL, IF YOU PASS HIS, JUST DOING AWAY WITH TERM LIMITS, THEN THAT MEANS THAT IF IT PASSES IT IS A NULL TEE BECAUSE -- NULLITY BECAUSE THERE ARE NO TERM LIMITS. KEEP THAT IN MIND.

ANY QUESTIONS? >> DON'T ENGAGE.

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>> ALL RIGHT. NUMBER 6, RESTRICTIONS ON COUNCIL MEMBERS. THIS IS COUNCILMAN GARRETT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. GETTING RID OF DEPARTMENT HEAD INCLUDING CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY CLERK.

STILL HAVE TO HAVE JUST CAUSE.

AND THEN B, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN INCLUDE THE MAYOR MAY BE EMPLOYED EYE -- BY THE CITY AS AN EMPLOYEE.

THAT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW.

THE CHARTER SPECIFICALLY SAYS IF YOU ARE A COUNCILMEMBER OR A MAYOR, YOU CAN'T HOLD AN EMPLOYEE POSITION WITH THE CITY. NUMBER SEVEN, COUNCILMAN REYNOLDS THIS WOULD ADD A WHOLE NEW SUBSECTION, A NEW SUBSECTION C. A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THAT THERE IS ALREADY SOMETHING IN OUR CHARTER THAT SAYS ADDRESSES IF YOU CAN HOLD TWO OFFICES.

THAT WAS DISCUSSED AD NAUSEAM IN THE PREVIOUS PROCESS.

WHAT CAME OUT IS THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO ADDRESS IT AT ALL. WHAT COUNCILMEMBER REYNOLDS WANTS TO DO IS YOU CAN'T HOLD CON -- CONCURRENTLY MORE THAN ONE OFFICE WHETHER IT IS CITY OR STATE OR FEDERAL

GOVERNMENT. >> WE HAVE A QUESTION.

COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT FOR THE SECOND TIME?

>> JUST REITERATING MY INITIAL COMMENT.

>> SO NOTED. TWO BITES.

MR. BAKER. >> NUMBER 8 THIS IS COUNCILMEMBER GARRETT. THIS DEALS WITH THE POWERS OF THE MAYOR. SECTION ONE AND SUBSECTION B AND THE MAYOR SHOULD HAVE A VOICE AND A RIGHT TO VOTE.

WHAT HE WOULD LIKE TO SAY AND CHANGE IT.

THIS WAS DISCUSSED A VERY LONGTIME, AND MUCH DEBATED ABOUT THE WHOLE ISSUE AND THE PREVIOUS CHARTER REVISION PROCESS. THEY CAN ONLY VOTE IN THE WARD COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND THEN SUBSECTION G AND THE MAYOR SHALL HAVE THE POWER TO APPOINT COMMITTEES.

HE WOULD LIKE TO ADD WITH APPROVAL BY A MAJORITY VOTE.

AND WE MAY NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN A LITTLE BIT.

WE MAY NEED TO TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT TO SAY, WELL, WHAT HAPPENS IF THE MAYOR PRESENTS A SLIGHT -- HE IS DETERMINING WHAT STANDING COMMITTEES HE WILL HAVE.

I AM NOT SURE WHAT YOU ARE MEANING THERE.

DO YOU WANT TO OBJECT TO WHAT COMMITTEES HE DECIDES TO HAVE OR WHAT MEMBERS HE PUTS ON THE CITY.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE INTENT THERE.

>> HOLD YOUR WATER. YOUR LIGHTS IS ON, BUT YOU

HAVE THE TWO. >> DOES THE QUESTION

CONSTITUTE -- >> YES.

SORRY. THERE YOU GO.

>> WELL, IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO DO IT NOW SO EVERYBODY --

>> WELL -- IT IS 9:00, MR. BAKER.

>> YES, SIR, I GOT IT. IN I WAY, HE WANTS TO SAY IT IS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND IT CAN REFER TO WHAT STANDING COMMITTEES THERE ARE OR WHAT MEMBERS HE HAS PUT ON THE COMMITTEES. AND THEN H -- THIS DEALS WITH THE VETO POWER AND NOW THE MAYOR HAS THE VETO POWER AND THE MAYOR HAS HAD THE VETO POWER AND THIS WOULD DO AWAY WITH THE MAYOR'S VETO POWER. NUMBER 9 --

>> HOLD ON ONE SECOND. COUNCILMAN HOLLEMAN FOR THE

FIRST TIME. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THE ONE THING WITH ALL OF THESE FROM THE MAYOR.

IN MOST CITIES DOES THE MAYOR TYPICALLY VOTE?

>> WHEN WE DID THE CHARTER REVISION WE DID A STUDY ON THAT ISSUE AND WE STUDIED -- THERE WERE LIKE OVER 200 DIFFERENT TOWNS AND CITIES WE GATHERED INFORMATION ON THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE AND OTHERS. IT WAS COMMON FOR THE MAYOR TO BE ABLE TO VOTE ON EVERYTHING.

AND IT WAS VERY COMMON FOR A MAYOR TO VOTE IN THE CASE OF A TIE. AND SOME CITIES SAID THE MAYOR

CAN'T VOTE AT ALL. >> JUST ASKING BECAUSE WE ARE ELECTED FROM OUR SECTIONS OF THE CITY.

IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THE MAYOR IS ELECTED BY THE ENTIRE CITY SO ALL OF US COMBINED. AND IT DOES PRESIDENT MAKE

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TO SAY. >> THANK YOU.

>> AND NUMBER 9 IS A PROPOSAL FROM COUNCILMEMBER REYNOLDS.

THIS IS THE SAME CHANGE REGARDING THE WORD CONSECUTIVE. AND THIS WOULD APPLY TO THE CITY JUDGE JUST LIKE IT WOULD APPLY TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND BY THE WAY, I MAY HAVE LEFT OUT COUNCILMAN GARRETT. HE ALSO -- HE WANTED TO DO THE SAME CHANGE WITH REGARD TO THE CITY JUDGE.

THAT'S WHY I HAVE A DRAFTSER -- DRAFTER'S NOTE THERE. IF YOU VOTE FOR HIS VERSION, THEN YOU TURN AROUND AND VOTE IN FAVOR OF HERS AND THERE

WILL BE NO TERM LIMITS. >> COUNCIL PERSON LITTLE, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR THE THE FIRST TIME.

>> JUST THE MATTER OF JUDGES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

WORKING IN THE LEGAL SYSTEM AND WORKING FOR THE JUDGES AND STUFF LIKE THAT STWHR -- THERE ARE TERMS BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH CASE LAW THAT THEY CAN APPLY TO OTHER CASES THEY MAY SEE FURTHER DOWN. APPLYING IT TO FUTURE REALLY

HURTS. >> AND LET ME JUST ADDRESS THAT. THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE TERM LIMITS FOR THE COUNCIL AND NONE FOR THE JUDGE AND VICE-VERSA. IT IS LEGALLY POSSIBLE TO SAY WE WILL HAVE TERM LIMITS, BUT WE ARE NOT FOR THE JUDGE.

>> COUNSELMAN REDD. >> WILL THAT BE 12 OR 13 BECAUSE ONE IS EIGHT AND ONE IS 9.

WOULD IT BE GRANDFATHERED AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO VETO AND -- YOU KNOW, WHERE WE LIVE IN THE WARDS?

>> IT IS TWO-THIRDS OF THE FULL MEMBERSHIP WHICH IS WHAT IS REQUIRED. WHAT IS THE SECOND QUESTION?

>> WILL WE BE GRANDFATHERED? THE PEOPLE ON THE COUNCIL NOW AS FAR AS THE WARD CHANGING THING GOES AND THE MAYOR, WOULD HE BE GRANDFATHERED AND NOT AFFECTED BY THE VETO AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS IF WE ARE ALREADY A SITTING MEMBER? OR THE EFFECTIVE DATE, WOULD IT AFFECT US?

>> FRIARS -- AS FAR AS TERM LIMITS, I AM NOT SURE.

ALL OF THIS OTHER STUFF HERE, IT WILL TAKE EFFECT AND APPLY TO THE EXISTING CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR AT THE TIME.

>> RATIFICATION. >> RATIFICATION.

THEY PASS IT, IF THEY PASS IT AND IT GOES TO THE GOVERNOR TO BE SIGNED AND THE SECRETARY OF STATE HAS TO VOTE ON IT AND WE HAVE TO VOTE ON IT. AND THEY LET THEM KNOW IT HAS

PASSED. >> IT IS NOT TWO-THIRDS PRESENT. IT IS TWO-THIRDS OF THE FULL

MEMBERSHIP. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> AND IF ANY OF YOU THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. THIS IS A SIX, EIGHT-MONTH LONG PROCESS IF NOT LONGER. THE CUTOFF DATE FOR PRIVATE ACT BILLS IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES HAS PASSED.

AND I THINK IT MAY HAVE PASSED NOW IN THE SENATE.

OR THERE MAY BE A FEW DAYS LEFT.

I'M NOT SURE. AND I TALKED TO ONE OF THE REPRESENTATIVES AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS GONNA BE

INTRODUCED. >> OKAY.

PROCEED. >> NUMBER -- AND BY THE WAY, I WASN'T TALKING TO ANYBODY TO INFLUENCE ANYONE.

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THAT'S THE ONE YOU ASKED FOR. ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO PROPOSE CHARTER AMENDMENTS, PLEASE DON'T WAIT UNTIL WEDNESDAY. I'M GONNA TELL Y'ALL, THIS WAS A MAD SCRAMBLE. WE HAVE NEVER HAD SO MUCH LEGISLATION REQUESTED AND IT PUT A REAL BURDEN ON MS. SKINNER AND ME. WE ARE THINKING ABOUT SAYING IF YOU WANT LEGISLATION DRAFTED, YOU ARE GONNA HAVE TO GET IT TO US WELL AHEAD OF TIME BECAUSE WE WERE SCRAMBLING. THESE LAST TWO OR THREE DAYS

HAVE BEEN A MAD HOUSE. >> THANK YOU, MR. BAKER.

WE HAVE QUESTIONS. COUNCIL PERSON RICHMOND ARE YOU RECOGNIZED FOR THE FIRST TIME.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. >> I THINK FOR ME LOOKING AHEAD TO NEXT WEEK, I KNOW YOU DISCUSSED IT AND I CAN SEE OUR BRAINS DOING LOPPTY-LOOPS TRACKING ALL OF THIS.

IF THERE IS A MAP OR STRATEGY TO GET IT BEFORE US AND VOTED SO IT IS CLEAN AND NO CONFUSION.

THE BRAIN WITH THE SUBSECTIONS AND THE PIECES AND THE -- IT MAY NOT BE SOLVED TONIGHT, BUT MAYBE SOMETHING THAT CAN -- SOMETHING WITHIN OUR VOTING ORDER THAT GETS IT BEFORE.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT COMMENT.

>> WELL, IT IS FUNNY YOU MENTION THAT.

THE NEXT RESOLUTION YOU HAVE IS REQUESTING THE MAYOR ESTABLISH -- I DON'T WANT TO STEAL THE MAYOR'S THUNDER HERE. IT IS NOT THE NEXT ONE, BUT THE ONE AFTER THAT. THERE IS A REQUEST BY COUNCILMEMBER REYNOLDS AND I DON'T WANT TO STEAL HER THUNDER TO MAYBE SLOW DOWN -- NOT MAYBE.

DEFINITELY SLOW THE PROCESS DOWN AND FORM A STUDY COMMITTEE THAT WOULD BE ACTUALLY WHAT IS CALLED OR KNOWN IN PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE AS A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE WHICH IS THE WHOLE CITY COUNCIL.

YOU WOULD NOT BE ACTING AS THE CITY COUNCIL.

YOU WOULD BE ACTING AS A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE.

IN ORDER TO TAKE THESE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS AND ANY OTHERS. IN FACT, I THINK WHAT HER PLAN WOULD BE IS TO TAKE THREE OR FOUR ARTICLES AND HAVE A SPECIALLY CALLED WORK STUDY SESSION --

>> CAN WE SAVE THEM UNTIL WE GET THERE?

WE DO HAVE -- OKAY. >> I'M SORRY.

>> COUNCIL PERSON RICHMOND. DOES THAT GET YOU? OKAY. COUNCIL PERSON GARRETT, ANY CLOSING ARGUMENTS? LET'S MOVE ON HERE.

WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 11 RESOLUTION 60-2020-21 EXPRESSING THE SENSE OF THE CITY COUNCIL HONORING OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM VETERANS.

COUNCIL PERSON KNIGHT IS THE SPAWNSER AND YOU ARE

RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

BEING A 15-YEAR SERVICE VETERAN AND HAVING SERVED TWICE IN IRAQ AND ONCE IN AFGHANISTAN, I WOULD BE REMISS TO MENTION THE FACT THAT MARCH 20TH, MARKS THE BEGINNING OF OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM.

I I WANTED TO TAKE THIS TIME TO RECOGNIZE OUR SERVICE MEMBERS -- I'M SORRY. THIS IS NEAR AND DEAR TO ME.

I WANTED TO TAKE THIS TIME TO RECOGNIZE OUR SERVICE MEMBERS AND THEIR SPOUSES AND FAMILIES WHO SERVED DURING OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM. I ASK THAT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU SUPPORT THIS PARTICULAR RESOLUTION.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING RESOLUTION 16? -- 60? AND NOW ITEM 12, RESOLUTION 61-2020-21 REQUESTING THE MAYOR CALL A SPECIAL SESSION OF THE CITY COUNCIL AS A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE TO STUDY AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS PERTAINING TO AMENDMENTS TO THE OFFICIAL CHARTER. COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS IS THE SPONSOR AND YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> YES, BASICALLY WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND -- AND THIS CAN CERTAINLY BE CHANGED A LITTLE BIT.

IT ACTUALLY SLOWS THE PROCESS DOWN AND USE IT AS A LEARNING TOOL FOR ALL OF US AS WELL AS REVIEWING THE CHARTER CHAPTER BY CHAPTER. WE ARE NOT GONNA MAKE THE DEADLINE FOR THIS SESSION. SO THERE ARE REALLY NO HURRY TO PUSH THIS THROUGH. FRANKLY, WE CAN JUST DO THIS EVERY MONTH. YOU PASS SOMETHING I DON'T LIKE AND I PASS SOMETHING YOU DON'T LIKE AND WE WILL GO BACK AND FORTH UNTIL NEXT NOVEMBER.

WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS WE DO STARTING IN PERHAPS MAY OR JUNE, WE DO ONE THROUGH THREE AND ONE THROUGH FOUR AND PEOPLE JUST IN THOSE AREAS, WE SUBMIT -- IN A SPECIFIC FORMAT

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WE HAVE AGREED ALREADY AND WE PASS IT AS A WHOLE.

THERE IS OTHER ELEMENTS. OBVIOUSLY WE ALL GOT THROUGH CHAPTER TWO. I'M JUST SAYING, RIGHT? THERE IS A WHOLE LOT MORE. AND WHY ARE WE GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS WHEN WE KNOW THERE IS ADDITIONAL CHANGES WE WANT TO MAKE THROUGHOUT.

WE JUST HAVEN'T GOT THAT FAR IN THE BOOK.

THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THIS IS.

IT IS TO SLOW THE PROS SEWS DOWN AND GET -- THE PROCESS DOWN AND GET A FORMAT OF TRADITION AND A PROCESS.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS.

WE HAVE A COUPLE OF FOLKS THAT WANT TO BE RECOGNIZED.

COUNCIL PERSON STREETMAN. >> THANK YOU.

THIS FITS WITH EXACTLY I SAID LAST MONTH WHEN THIS WAS FIRST DISCUSSED. I THOUGHT IT MADE SENSE TO CREATE A COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT THIS HOLISTICALLY RATHER THAN A MAD FLURRY OF AMENDMENTS COMING IN.

IF THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANTED TO DO, LET'S LOOK AT THIS IN A THOUGHTFUL PROCESS. AS I SAID, THIS CHARTER IS THE CONSTITUTION FOR OUR CITY. IT SHOULDN'T BE SOMETHING WE DO IN A MAD RUSH. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT RESOLUTION AND I WOULD SUPPORT IT.

I WOULD EVEN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO LOOK EVEN BEYOND HAVING THE COMMITTEE MADE UP OF CURRENT COUNCIL MEMBERS. AS WAS STATED THIS WAS JUST DONE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS BEFORE.

I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE UNREASONABLE TO LOOK TO HAVING PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE THE COUNCIL SERVE ON THIS COMMITTEE. THEY COULD GIVE GUIDANCE AND HELP LEAD US IN MAKING THE CHANGES TO THIS CHARTER.

THAT'S MY STATEMENT ON IT. I THANK THE SPONSOR FOR

BRINGING IT FORWARD. >> THANK YOU.

COUNCIL PERSON BUTLER. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

YES, YES, YES, YES TO ALL OF THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS AND THE PREVIOUS IDEAS. I LOVE THEM.

I LIKE THEM ALL. I DO ASK THAT THIS IS OF THE WHOLE. I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT AS WELL AS OUTSIDE CONSULTING WITH OTHER RESIDENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THE ONLY THING -- YOU'RE GONNA KILL ME. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE THE FIRST TIME WE GET TOGETHER FOR THIS, ASSUMING WE PASS IT, WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER RESTRUCTURING OUR CHARTER INTO A HOME RULE CHARTER. [INAUDIBLE].

I KNOW. I JUST WANTED TO THROW IT OUT THERE IN THE AIR. I SAID YOU WERE GOING TO KILL

ME AND I APOLOGIZE. >> [INAUDIBLE].

>> THANK YOU. >> OKAY.

COUNCIL PERSON ALLEN, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> I WOULD ALSO DEFINITELY AGREE WITH HAVING THE COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE. I HAVE A PARLIMENTARIAN

QUESTION THOUGH. >> MR. BAKER?

>> AM I ALLOWED TO ADD AN AMENDMENT TO THIS THAT SAYS THAT WE ALSO DO A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE FOR THE CODE OF

ETHICS? >> YOU SHOULD HAVE A SECOND

ONE. >> OKAY.

>> I THINK SO. >> THAT CAN BE A RESOLUTION?

>> YES. >> THANK YOU.

>> WE CAN COME BACK WITH A RESOLUTION THAT IS WORDED SIMILAR. WE REQUEST THE MAYOR TO ESTABLISH A QUESTION OF A WHOLE TO STUDY THE ETHICS CODE AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND HOW TO CHANGE IT OR AMENDMENT IT. I WANT TO SAY ONE LAST THING.

IT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS TO YOU THAT LEGALLY IT IS GONNA CREATE A BIG PROBLEM IF YOU PASS COUNCILMEMBER GARRETT'S RESOLUTION THAT CONTAIN THAT'S EXHIBIT A WITH ANY NUMBER OF CHARTER AMENDMENTS THAT YOU ARE REQUESTING THE LEGISLATURE TO DO NOW, AND THEN TURN AROUND AND PASS COUNCILMEMBER REYNOLD'S RESOLUTION AND SAY WE ARE DOING A STUDY COMMITTEE. I I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT SOMEONE SHOULD PROBABLY ASK THE CHAIR TO MOVE COUNCILMEMBER REYNOLD'S RESOLUTION UP IN THE ORDER AND ACTUALLY VOTE ON IT FIRST. IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE.

>> COUNCIL PERSON ALLEN, DOES THAT SQUARE YOU AWAY.

>> YES, SURE DOES. >> COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS,

ARE YOU RECOGNIZED. >> BRIEFLY, SIR, WHAT WOULD THAT MOTION BE? TO MOVE IT UP?

>> A MOTION TO TAKE YOUR RESOLUTION UP BEFORE COUNCIL MEMBER GARRETT'S REGULARS -- RESOLUTION.

>> AND MAYOR -- I'M SORRY. AND MAYOR I WOULD LIKE YOUR OPINION ON -- LIKE TONIGHT, QUICKLY, WHAT DO YOU ENVISION FOR THE COMMITTEE? I MEAN, FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE,

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I THOUGHT A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS PRESENTED WHEN IT CAME DONE THAT WE WOULD HAVE ADDER ARGUED -- WE WOULD HAVE ARGUED IT OUT AND WHEN WE PASS IT, WE WOULDN'T BE MAKING AMENDMENTS.

I WOULD BE OPEN TO ANY CHANGES AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT

YOU THINK, SIR. >> ASK ME THAT QUESTION AGAIN. IT IS 9:15.

>> [INAUDIBLE]. >> CLEARLY THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE LEGISLATURE. I THINK IT IS WISE TO START WITH THE COUNCIL. GET SOME IDEAS ON THE TABLE AND BRING IN SOME CITIZENS, PEOPLE WHO HAVE WORKED ON THE CHARTER REVISIONS IN THE PAST AND WORKED THROUGH THAT.

CLEARLY THIS IS A VERY COMPLICATED -- YOU JUST HEARD -- I MEAN, WE TALK ABOUT TERM LIMITS AND LIVING IN AND OUT OF YOUR WARD AND IN AND OUT OF THE CITY.

ET CETERA, ET CETERA. I AM AT THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL. IF YOU WANT TO CREATE A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE PLUS, WE'LL DO THAT.

OKAY. WE HAVE COUNCIL PERSON SMITH.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. HAVE I BEEN LISTENING TO EVERYBODY AND ALL I WANT TO SAY IS THIS.

WE ARE THE LEGISLATURE. THIS IS OUR JOB TO LOOK AT THE CHARTER AS A WHOLE. WE ARE DOING THAT TONIGHT.

WE HAVE DONE THAT TONIGHT. YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA LOOK AT EVERYTHING IN THE CHARTER.

WE DON'T NEED TO FORM ANOTHER COMMITTEE.

WE ARE THE LEGISLATORS. WE ARE THE ONES TO MAKE THE LAWS. YOU DON'T NEED TO BRING CITIZENS IN THAT DOESN'T KNOW -- NOT PUTTING THEM DOWN, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING.

THEY ARE NOT LEGISLATORS. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE.

WE ARE A WHOLE BODY. I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE ANOTHER COMMITTEE OR FORM ANOTHER COMMITTEE.

WE ARE THE WHOLE BODY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

COUNCIL PERSON RICHMOND FOR THE FIRST TIME.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER. I THINK FOR ME THE BRIEF TIME I HAVE BEEN ON THE COUNCIL. I AM NO EXPERT IN TERMS OF POLITICS. I AM A REPRESENTATIVE NEIGHBOR.

I BELIEVE WE HAVE A CURRENT STRUCTURE FOR THE CURRENT COMMITTEES. I HAVE BEEN IN OFFICE SAYING LET'S EDUCATE THE CONSTITUENTS ABOUT WHAT EXISTS.

BEFORE WE CREATE THIS NEW COMMITTEE AND INVITING THEM TO A PROCESS THEY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND ON A FUNDAMENTAL LEVEL, LET'S HELP THEM -- IT IS LIKE AN INTERNSHIP SITUATION. START WITH A LITTLE AND UNDERSTAND A LITTLE AND THEN SAY LET'S IMPLEMENT SOME CHANGE. TO JUMP TO THAT BIG OF A LEVEL I JUST THINK WE ARE GETTING IN OVER OUR HEAD.

I THINK ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING COMMENTS I DID SEE FROM RESIDENTS WAS GETTING CONSTITUENT FEEDBACK.

SOMEONE SAID YOU HAVE SPOKEN WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS. I THOUGHT IT WAS A BRILLIANT COMMENT AND IT REMINDED ME THAT THAT'S WHAT THE VOTES ARE FOR. I AM ALL FOR CONSTITUENTS BEING ABLE TO WEIGH IN, BUT UNTIL I SEE OUR COMMITTEES PACK OUT WITH PARTICIPATION, AND ONCE WE GET PAST WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS CURRENT PANDEMIC, UNTIL WE CAN SEE THOSE SESSIONS PACK OUT, BRING IN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE EXCITED AND PASSIONATE, I THINK WE ARE OPENING A PANDORA'S POX -- PANDORA'S BOX HERE. THANK YOU.

>> COUNCILMAN RICHMOND, THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE ON 61? COUNCILMAN REDD.

>> BEFORE WE HAD CIVILIANS COME IN BECAUSE WE HAVE LICENSING THAT HAS TO DO WITH LIQUOR STORES AND THAT KIND OF THING AND OTHER BUSINESSES WE IMPOSE RULES ON AND THEY WILL COME IN AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT FEEDBACK FROM

THEM AS WELL. >> THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE? I DON'T SEE ANY SO WE ARE READY TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.

IF I CAN GET MY COMPUTER TO WORK.

WE ARE READY FOR ITEM 13 WHICH IS DISCUSSION REGARDING INCLUSION AND DIVERSITY. COUNCIL PERSON RICHMOND,

THAT'S YOU. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM AND DISCUSSION. IT IS AN IMPORTANT DISCUSSION. I THINK BECAUSE OF THE TIME AND JUST FATIGUE ON OUR WELL BEING, I WOULD ASK THAT WE TABLE THAT UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. WE ARE NOW READY FOR -- DOES THAT MEAN YOU WISH NOT TO HAVE IT ON THE REGULAR SESSION AGENDA NEXT WEEK? OKAY.

THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM 11, MAYOR AND

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>> MAYOR, BEFORE NEXT MONTH, I WAS WONDERING, WE DID DISCUSS LAST NIGHT THAT THERE WAS A RESOLUTION, THE AMENDMENT FOR THE CITY ETHICS, THE ETHICS CODE AND I WAS WONDERING WHEN THAT COMMITTEE WAS GOING TO BE FORMED.

AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS IN OUR ETHICS CODE THAT DO NEED TO BE WORKED ON.

>> FAIR QUESTION. MY THOUGHT WAS THE ETHICS QUESTION WOULD TAKE IT UP BECAUSE THEY CLEARLY ARE CHARGED WITH IMPLEMENTING OUR ETHICS CODE AND THEY GET THEIR THOUGHTS AND THEIR INPUT FIRST AND NOW THAT WE HAVE A FULL ETHICS COMMISSION AND GET THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS THEY CAN'T APPROVE OTHER THAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN WE WOULD CREATE A COMMITTEE THAT WOULD THEN TAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION AND LOOK AT IT AND THEN MAKE SUGGESTED CHANGED. -- CHANGES.

IF WE WANT TO DO IT AS A COMMITTEE AS A BHOL WE CAN DO -- AS A WHOLE WE CAN DO THAT.

>> DO YOU WANT ME TO DO A RESOLUTION?

>> YOU CAN IF YOU WOULD LIKE, BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO.

>> WE CAN DO IT AS A COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE?

>> I WILL LET THE ETHICS COMMISSION WEIGH IN.

WE WILL CHARGE THEM WITH IMPLEMENTING AND GET THEIR THOUGHTS ON IT AND THEN BRING IT TO US.

>> SO WE WILL LET THEM LOOK AT THE ENTIRE CODE OF ETHICS ?

>> NO, JUST THE ISSUE REGARDING THE ATTORNEYS FEES WHICH I THINK IS THE ISSUE THAT WAS PUSHED TO A

COMMITTEE. >> RIGHT, BUT WE DECIDED TO PUSH IT TO A COMMITTEE, MAYOR BECAUSE THERE WERE OTHER THINGS PEOPLE WANTED TO WORK ON.

FOR THE ENTIRE CODE OF ETHICS.

>> I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND REVIEW MY NOTES.

I AM RECALLING THE ATTORNEYS FEES ISSUE WAS FIRST AND

FOREMOST. >> YES, IT WAS.

THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL PERSON EVANS, YOU

ARE RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT A PREVIOUS SPONSOR'S TABLE OF RESOLUTION 61-2020-21 REGARDING A

DISCUSSION -- JUST KIDDING. >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ITEM

13 1234*. >> YES, ITEM 13.

I DIDN'T WANT TO SCROLL UP. I RESPECT THEIR DECISION, HOWEVER, I THOUGHT THAT THIS CONVERSATION WAS VERY IMPORTANT AS ACCOUNTABILITY IS IMPORTANT.

I FEEL LIKE AN APOLOGY OR A MENTION WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

AS A QUEER PERSON, I THOUGHT COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE IN THE LAST SESSION WERE INEXECUTIONABLE AND INSENSITIVE. I AM ASHAMED TO SAY I DIDN'T CATCH IT ON THE FLOOR. WHEN I WENT BACK AND WATCHED THE VIDEO, THAT'S WHEN I SAW IT.

I DID FEEL HURT. I DEFINITELY THINK AN APOLOGY IS NECESSARY, ESPECIALLY TO THOSE THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL PERSON REYNOLDS,

YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >> I KNOW IT IS LATE AND PROBABLY NOT TONIGHT, BUT I WOULD ASK HOW DO WE GO ABOUT SETTING A TIMELINE OF SUBMISSION OF DATA.

I KNOW WE HAVE POUNDED MR. BAKER AND MS. SKINNER.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE SAY -- I AM JUST MAKING UP LIKE YOU HAVE TO TURN EVERYTHING IN BY MONDAY AT NOON TO MAKE THIS WEEK'S MEETING. I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE -- BECAUSE I'M A LAST-MINUTE, I'M THE 4:00-ER.

I GET IT. THIS IS MY APOLOGY.

>> MAY I, MAYOR? >> SURE.

>> LET ME GET WITH MISS SKINNER AND WE WILL CONFER AND SEND OUT AN EMAIL SUGGESTING HOW WE WOULD LIKE -- WHAT THE TIMELINE COULD BE TO HELP US. IS THAT OKAY?

>> YES, AND IF IT IS AN INFORMAL -- I'M NOT SURE HOW TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT, BUT I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER FOR THE

PEOPLE SUPPORTING US. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON, REYNOLDS. COUNCIL PERSON SMITH, YOU ARE

RECOGNIZED. >> THIS WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION AND I WILL MAKE A STATEMENT.

IT IS A STATEMENT ABOUT SAFETY TO OUR PEDESTRIANS.

THEY ARE WALKING AND JOGGING AND RUNNING.

PLEASE WEAR REFLECTIVE STRIPS ON YOUR JACKETS TO HELP PREVENT PEDESTRIANS FROM DEATH AND CAR ACCIDENTS SUCH AS HEAD ON COLLISIONS. SOMEBODY BROUGHT THAT TO MY ATTENTION AND I WANT TO SAY IT.

>> THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL PERSON RICHMOND,

YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU.

TO THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER AND SOME CONCERNS.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ISSUES CONCERNING SAID MATTERS.

IF RESPONSIBILITY AS A LEADER AND FOR MY LANGUAGE I WILL TAKE OWNERSHIP OF CERTAIN THINGS, BUT I AM NOT GOING TO

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THEY KIND OF GOT PUSHED ALTOGETHER.

AS A TIMELINE, GOING BACK, OBVIOUSLY WE ARE DEALING WITH THE ROXY PURCHASE. WE HAD A PUBLIC MEETING WHERE COUNCILMEMBERS WERE PRESENT. IT WAS A PUBLICLY NOTED MEETING THAT WAS HOSTED BY THE ROXY THEATER.

THEY HAVE THAT RECORDING. I BELIEVE THAT RECORDING IS WHAT IS IN QUESTION. WHAT WAS STATED AT THAT MEETING, AND I THINK SOME OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS WERE PRESENT THERE, ONCE THE ISSUE OF INCLUSION AND DIVERSITY CAME UP, I SPECIFICALLY ASKED ABOUT THREE ITEMS. EQUITY, DIVERSITY AND SHARED PROSPERITY FOR ALL.

I SPOKE ON BEHALF OF CONSTITUENTS' CONCERN ABOUT THERE BEING REPRESENTATION OF ALL DIVERSE RACIAL INCLUSION.

THAT'S WHO APPROACHED ME. THAT IS THE SPECIFIC TOPIC AT HAND. HEY, AS A BLACK CITIZEN OF THE CITY, I HAVE NOT CRIB -- I HAVE NOT CONTRIBUTED OR BEEN INCLUDED IN THOSE WAYS. I WAS ADDRESSING THOSE ISSUES WHEN A MEMBER OF THE BOARD FROM THE ROXY BROUGHT INTO THE CONVERSATION HIS GENDER, HIS PREFERENCE, AND I CONTINUED TO SAY -- I SHOULD HAVE SAID AT THE TIME, THAT'S NOT WHAT I AM ADDRESSING AND THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION OR THE CONCERN.

IT WAS A -- IT WAS NOT A NEGLECT OF ANYONE ELSE'S DECISIONS OR LIFESTYLE OR CHOICES.

I JUST SAID I AM HERE TO TALK ABOUT EQUITY INCLUSION.

I SPECIFICALLY SAID WE HAVE A LARGE CONSTITUENCY OF KOREAN-AMERICANS AND LATINO AND HISPANIC RESIDENTS AND AFRICAN-AMERICANS. IN THE PRESENTATION SHARED WITH US OVER AN HOUR I DIDN'T SEE ANY REPRESENTATION FROM ANY OF THOSE COMMUNITIES. I SIMPLY ASKED WERE THERE ANY ARTISTIC LEADERSHIP FROM THOSE COMMUNITY THAT'S WERE FOR ORGANS THE R -- OR AGAINST THE ROX PURCHASE.

THIS WAS NOTHING BUT ABOUT TAXPAYERS.

THERE WASN'T AN ANSWER GIVEN THAT WAS SATISFACTORY TO THE CONSTITUENTS. THERE ARE STILL QUESTIONS ABOUT, HEY, WE JUST SEEM -- THE CITY -- THEY SHOT WE JUST VOTED AND DEVOED -- THAT'S SLANG FOR SAYING THEY HAVE NO SAY IN THE MATTER. FROM THAT I WAS ADDRESSING THE ROXY AS A BOARD ON THAT PARTICULAR TOP -- TOPIC.

AND THEN WHEN IT CAME TIME TO RECAP HERE I THINK PEOPLE MISUNDERSTOOD THE MAYOR'S CALMING ME DOWN.

I GOT INCENSED WHEN I WAS SAYING, HEY, I'M ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THAT THE AJAX SENIOR CENTER AND BUYING TICKETS AT THE THEATER ARE NOT THE SAME.

ALL OF US ARE GOING TO BECOME OLD SENIORS SOME DAY.

WE WILL GET OLDER. THAT'S GENEALOGY.

WE ARE ALL NOT GOING TO HAVE TO PI A THEATER TICKET.

I WAS REQUESTING AND GOT A LITTLE EMOTIONAL AND THE MAYOR TOLD ME TO CALM DOWN AND I WAS GETTING REVED UP.

I SAID, HEY, BUYING TICKETS FOR THEATER IS NOT THE SAME.

I GOT A LITTLE BOTHERED BECAUSE I THOUGHT 810,000 FOR A CHOICE VERSUS 810,000 ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS TO ME GENETICALLY ARE NOT THE SAME. THAT'S THE FIRST PART OF MY STATEMENT. AND THEN I WAS ALSO GOING TO SAY FOR A LONGTIME IN OUR SOCIETY, RIGHT NOW, EVERY TIME AFRICAN-AMERICANS STAND UP TO SAY, HEY, I HAVE A PAIN, I HAVE AN ISSUE, WE ARE SHUTDOWN.

YOUR ISSUES ARE NOT IMPORTANT ENOUGH.

MY PAIN HURTS MORE. SO WHEN I STOOD UP TO SAY, HEY, BLACK PEOPLE FEEL AND OTHER ETHNICITIES FEEL THEY WERE EXCLUDED FROM A COMMUNITY THAT IS GROWING, IT IS LIKE, WELL, HEY, THAT PAIN -- WHO CARES ABOUT THAT PAIN? WHAT ABOUT THIS PAIN? WE ARE SAYING WE ALL HAVE PAIN. WE ARE GOING TO GET TO IT.

THAT'S WHAT THE ER DOES. IT IS NOT LIKE, YOUR PAIN DOESN'T MATTER. AND I SPOKE TO THE PARTIES THAT FELT OFFENDED. I SPOKE TO A CONSTITUENT WHO CALLED ME OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND WE SPOKE ON THE PHONE DIRECTLY. THE CON SPICH WENT -- CON SPICH WENT -- CONSTITUENT SAID THEY FIGURED THERE WAS ANOTHER SIDE OF THE STORY. THEY SAID THEY WOULD NOT REMOVE MY INFORMATION AND I SAID THAT'S THEIR PREROGATIVE AND HERE WE ARE. ANOTHER ORGANIZATION SAID IT WAS LATE AND THE HOUR WAS LATE AND I PERSONALLY FEEL THOSE TWO ISSUES GOT PUSHED TOGETHER.

IF MY ORIGINAL PUTTING THIS ON THE AGENDA WAS NOT TO REHASH THAT, AND I THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP TO PREVIOUS SPEAKER S WHO HAVE. MY REAL CONCERN IS -- THAT'S -- LET'S NOT MISS THE FOREST THROUGH THE TREES.

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I WILL BRING THAT BACK BEFORE US, BUT HAVE I NO ISSUES.

IF THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY FEELS THEY NEED AN APOLOGY FROM ME, I APOLOGIZE THAT I DID NOT SLOW DOWN AND SPLAT WHAT WE WERE -- AND SEPARATE WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING.

I WANT EVERYONE TO BE INCLUDED.

IT WAS REALLY MORE TOWARD A PREVIOUS SPEAKER IN THAT SESSION WHO SAID WE ARE JUST SAYING THE TABLE HAS EXPANDED AND LET'S GET MORE CHAIRS TO THE TABLE.

THAT'S ALL I WAS SAYING. WE CAN'T JUST HAVE A GROUP OF THEATER ARTISTS. I DON'T CARE WHAT COLOR THEY ARE. EXCLUSIVELY MAKING DECISIONS ON AN $810,000 PURCHASE. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO THE ROXY. I DIDN'T AGREE WITH CERTAIN ISSUES, BUT HEY, THAT'S WHAT WE DO.

I CAN SAY, HEY, CONGRATULATIONS, AND WE WILL GET THE DO -- DIVERSITY THING ON THE BOARD AT A LATER DATE.

THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL PERSON EVANS, YOU

ARE RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

HOWEVER, I DO WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT BEING CLEAR IS NOT A LIFESTYLE -- BEING QUEER IS NOT A LIFESTYLE CHOICE.

I'M SORRY. NOW I AM GOING TO CRY.

>> ONE AT A TIME, PLEASE. COUNCIL PERSON EVANS HAS THE

FLOOR. >> I UNDERSTAND RACIAL DIVERSITY AND LIKE -- WHAT AM I TRYING TO SAY? RACIAL IDENTITY AND SELF-IDENTITY LIKE THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY, THEY ARE VERY DIFFERENT, BUT THEY ARE ALSO LINEAR AT THE SAME TIME. BOTH GROUPS HAVE GONE THROUGH A LOT OF STRUGGLES. I AM NOT GOING TO COMPARE THE STRUGGLES. THEY ARE BOTH MARGINALIZED GROUPS OF PEOPLE THAT DESERVE RECOGNITION AND REPRESENTATION

AS WELL -- I'M DONE. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PERSON EVANS. COUNCIL PERSON STREETMAN.

>> I THINK I WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME SAYING IT BETTER THAN THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER SAID. I THINK WHEN THEY HEAR IT COME FROM -- THEY FEEL AS THOUGH THEY HEAR IT COME FROM OUR LEADERS AND IT CUTS A LITTLE BIT DEEPER.

I KNOW THAT THERE WERE MANY PEOPLE THAT SAW THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING AND WERE UPSET WITH WHAT THEY DID HERE.

I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY ARE COMING FROM AND WHETHER IT WAS A MISS SPEAK OR NOT. I AM GLAD THERE WAS AN APOLOGY ISSUED. I HEARD FROM MANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. I REALLY SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID TOO MUCH BECAUSE I CAN'T SAY IT BETTER THAN YOU JUST DID, MA'AM. THANK YOU.

>> COUNCIL PERSON SMITH, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR COMMENTS.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I AM NOT GOING TO GIVE MY RESPONSE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT IS LATE.

I MADE A RESPONSE TO A LETTER THAT WAS WRITTEN ON

FEBRUARY 4TH. >> PLEASE DON'T CALL BY NAME.

>> MY NAME IS CALLED. THERE IS NO DISRESPECT TO YOU, BUT IT WAS A DISRESPECT TO ME.

I WROTE A RESPONSE, BUT RIGHT NOW I AM NOT GOING TO ADDRESS IT BECAUSE I AM EMOTIONAL AS WELL AS MY SISTER OVER THERE.

I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW IT OFFENDED ME FOR HER TO SAY THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT DIVERSITY MEANS.

I'M GONNA LEAVE IT AT THAT BECAUSE I WILL NOT EVEN SAY NOTHING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I AM UPSET.

I WILL LEAVE IT ALONE UNTIL I CAN GET CALM.

OKAY? THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL PERSON RICHMOND FOR

YOUR SECOND CHANCE. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

YES. AND AGAIN ON BEHALF OF EVERYONE, JUST AS PREVIOUS SPEAKERS HAVE STATED AND PEOPLE ARE BLOWING UP FACEBOOK RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE NO CHOICE ABOUT YOUR GENDER IDENTITY. I HAVE NO CHOICE ABOUT ME BEING AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN. ZERO CHOICE IN THE MATTER.

AND FOR THE LAST TIME, PLEASE HEAR MY HEART.

THE ONLY THING I WAS SAYING IS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS A LOT OF THOSE YEARS I WASN'T HERE, AFRICAN-AMERICANS HAVE SPECIFICALLY FELT THE SAME WAY OR INDIFFER RENT.

I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYONE.

BUT AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL I HAD NO DOG IN THE FIGHT.

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I DID NOT DISAGREE. IT WAS A CONCURRENT CONCLUSION. INSIDE THE CONTEXT.

DECISION, I WAS SPEAKING TO THAT.

THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL PERSON REDD, ARE YOU RECOGNIZED. AND I GUESS WHILE WE ARE AIRING OUT. AND SECTION 7 AND ARTICLE 43 -- 40 AND 41 AND 42 AND 43, SECTION 7 OF THE RULES ABOUT -- THIS IS NOT A SENSE OF YOU, MAYOR, BUT I NOTICE WHEN EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT PACTS AND THE MONEY FROM PACTS AND THEY SHOULD ABSTAIN. THERE WAS A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT I WITNESSED THE MOTIVES OF THE SPONSOR WAS QUESTIONED AND I WISH WE WOULDN'T DO THAT.

THERE WAS STATEMENTS OF ALL OF THESE WHITE HOLIDAYS AND PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE WHITE AND THEY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE OF BEING WHITE. I CAN REMEMBER ONCE THAT I HAD AN ITALIAN-AMERICAN THAT CALLED AND SPOKE TO MS. SKINNER AND THIS WAS YEARS AGO ABOUT COLUMBUS DAY.

I DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

LET'S JUST REMEMBER THAT ITALIAN-AMERICANS ARE IN OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL BEFORE WE SAY, HEY, LET'S GET RID OF COLUMBUS DAY BECAUSE HE WAS EVIL OR WHATNOT.

SOME PEOPLE HAVE COME FROM OHIO AND THEY ARE ITALIAN-AMERICANS AND FOR THEM COLUMBUS WAS NOT SOMEONE THAT WAS EVIL AS HAS BEEN DEPICTED IN SOME MODERN HISTORY LESSONS. THOSE ARE JUST THE THREE THINGS I WANT TO SAY. LET'S REMEMBER THE DECORUM, IF WE COULD HERE IN OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

COUNCIL PERSON ALLEN, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

>> SO, I HAVE SAT HERE FOR TWO MONTHS NOW AND GOING ON THREE MONTHS. I THINK IT IS VERY SAD THAT WE HAVE THE COUNCIL WE HAVE AND WE ARE NOT -- WE ARE NOT EMBRACING THE DIVERSITY WE VVMENT WE HAVE A CON -- THE DIVERSITY THAT WE HAVE. WE HAVE NEVER HAD THIS COUNCIL BEFORE. WE HAVE WOMEN AND MEN AND AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND WE HAVE WHITE AND WE HAVE QUEER AND CHRISTIANS AND THOSE THAT ARE -- THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD AT ALL. WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE SITTING AT THIS TABLE THAT CAN BE EMBRACED AND I THINK IT IS RIDICULOUS WE ARE HAVING THE ARGUMENT BEL -- ABOUT.

WE ARE HERE REPRESENTING OUR COMMUNITY.

OUR COMMUNITY LOOKS LIKE ALL OF US FROM WARD 1 TO WARD 12 TO THE MAYOR THEY LOOK LIKE US.

AND WE HAVE GOT TO STOP THIS SO WE CAN GET THE WORK DONE FOR THEM. I THINK RIDICULOUS.

I WAS SO THAT IS WHAT I SAID AND EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE INCLUDED AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING.

ALL THIS I'M DIFFERENT THAN THIS PERSON AND I'M MORE SPECIAL THAN THIS PERSON. WE ARE ALL SPECIAL.

WE ALL ARE STANDING UP HERE AND NEED TO REPRESENT WHO WE GOTTI ELECTRICKED FOR, PERIOD.

I THINK WE ARE DOING OURSELVES A DISSERVICE ON THIS COUNCIL WHEN OVER HALF OF THE NATION'S COUNCILS DON'T LOOK LIKE THIS. WE HAVE A GEM RIGHT HERE AND WE ARE NOT REALIZING IT. I AM TALKING ABOUT EVERYONE FROM WARD 1 TO WARD 12 TO THE MAYOR.

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WE ALL NEED TO EMBRACE IT. >> COUNCIL PERSON LITTLE, YOU

ARE RECOGNIZED. >> THERE IS A LOT OF EMOTION AND A LOT OF CONVERSATION AND DEEP THOUGHT AND A LOT OF RESPECT FOR EACH AND EVERY PERSON IN HERE.

I APPRECIATE OUR COMMUNITY AND EVERYTHING WE ARE DOING.

WE ARE WORKING TOWARD A BIGGER AND BETTER CLARKSVILLE.

I CAN SEE A FUTURE THAT WE WILL BE SUCCESSFUL ON THAT.

I JUST WANT TO SAY TO SON OF TAMMY LEE, CONGRATULATIONS.

HE WAS JOINED -- INVITED TO JOIN THE FUTURE LEADERS OF AMERICA. THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE COMMENTS? SEEING NONE, THE NEXT ITEM WAS PLACED THERE AT THE REQUEST OR THE SUGGESTION OF OUR CITY ATTORNEY, MR. BAKER. HE HAS ASKED THAT WE DEFER THAT. MAYBE A NON-PUBLIC MEETING THAT IS CLOSER TO THE DATE WE HAVE IN MARCH ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR CASE. SO WE WILL SCHEDULE A NONPUBLIC MEETING WHERE HE CAN BRIEF US.

WE STAND

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